Suppose I am creating a website having 5 pages. If a specific ID is used in one page, can I use the same ID in another page?
Yes, you can, and you should, if you’re using the ID for the “same” element.
Its purpose is to identify the element when linking (using a fragment identifier), scripting, or styling (with CSS).
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Global_attributes/id
You can link to an element with the fragment identifier like https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Global_attributes/id#browser_compatibility
If this element is repeated on each site, it should have the same fragment identifier.
If you want to style the element by means of its ID, it absolutely needs the same ID across all pages as well.
On a side note, styling by means of IDs is discouraged because it’s hard to maintain in bigger systems.
The main thing is that it should be a single ID per page, and the number of pages is not important.
Yes, you can use the same id on different pages, since they aren't related to each other.
Applying the same ID to multiple elements is generally considered bad practice since it defies the W3C spec. If you want to style elements across multiple pages, consider using a class.
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After carefully scrutinizing multiple sources on the Internet, I've discovered that the relatively universal answer to the popular "classes vs ids" question is that ID's are unique identifiers, and an element can only have one ID and that each page can have only one element with that ID. And that classes are not unique, and can be used on multiple elements rather than a single one, and elements can have multiple classes. After concluding with this information, I've begun looking at the source code of popular websites such as CNN, Yahoo, W3Schools, etc. and have noticed that parts of a website that are only used one time still have classes. For example, logos of a website will be under a class, or even a navigation bar will be specified with a class, why is this if there is only one logo on the website or one navigation bar? Wouldn't it be more appropriate to utilize ID's for this matter? This question may seem silly to more experienced developers, but I hope to find some clarification in the answers. Thank you so much.
Classes and IDs are not mutually exclusive. Classes are primarily for CSS styling, while IDs can be for styling, but that's not the reason we generally add them initially. We add IDs so that the element(s) can be more easily accessed via JavaScript and manipulated dynamically.
Therefore it is very common to find elements with both an id and classes - - Each serving a different purpose.
I would like to know if this is good practice, or if this is a wrong thing to do.
Thank you
You surely can. It actually helps when you want same kind of behavior for your DOM elements on different pages.
You can have common CSS and JS files for these HTML documents containing the code for elements with same ID's or classes. Reduces duplication of code.
If they only are different because they are in a different document, I would even go as far as to say they are not different. Of course you can give them the same ID. We do it with headers and footers all the time, why not with p-elements? Just don't add the same ID more then once in one document.
Regarding the question if this is good practice or not, that entirely depends on the use case and context.
id=identifier. One document can have only one unique id. So two documents can have the same id once in each document.
Think of #header. Multiple html documents will have #header. But only once in each document.
Although when duplicate id's are present in a document, browsers parse the code fine without complaining. But still invalid.
i understand what there is a difference between id's and class's - ids and ment to be given to a unique item, and class's and like tags, they can be given to multiple items..
but why do you need to have both, in the past i used to write everything using #id (this was when i was new to writing html and didnt know any different) and the code still worked.. would not have been 100% valid but still worked.
i know now using html5 you can define areas differently, but for this im not talking about using html5
Imagine if you had a load of buttons that looked the same on the page. Would you want to repeat yourself numerous times in your CSS? Or use a class and write it once.
This is applicable in any case of the same styling on different elements.
Adding to Sam's answer. Ids are helpful both for styling and javascript. If you want only a particular style applied or want to increase the specificity of your css id come handy.
#id is used to describe the document structure or important containers/elements and they must be unique entries.
.class is used to describe elements which are can be many elements in this documents.
If you try to validate the document and have many id's this will be error and if you want your document to be valid you must rename the id's of use classes.
Classes are useful because they can be many classes with one name on your document and you will not be force to copy/paste style from one element to another and change only the tag to describe the new element.
concise answer:
id - Shows on your page once.
class -Shows on your page more than once.
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What is the preferred method when dealing with choosing a class vs. an ID?
For instance, you can have a bunch of elements that might be styled identically and could all use the same class. However, for readability purposes, it's sometimes nice to have a unique ID for each element instead.
Obviously you don't want to go ridiculously overboard where every element has an ID. However, where do you guys draw the line and does using all IDs where you could be using classes slow things down noticeably? If so... when?
How to stop obliterating semantic HTML.
Most people learn HTML from looking at source code and of HTML and tinkering with it, learning how <tag>foo</tag> looks and running along with it. They don't really gain a deep understand of it, but they go on to do things that require a deep understanding, the side effect is the problem you and thousands of others have every day -- they're doing things and they don't know fully how these tools work, because it looks so simple on the surface and the powerful uses are are "hidden" in the funny manual that nobody feels the need to read. Everything is plainly explained and been written down for a long time.
What IDs are for (directly from the HTML4 spec, with my notes)
The id attribute assigns a unique identifier to an element (it only happens ONCE, never TWICE or more, I'm tired of seeing people come on this site and dropping in their code with the same ID in twenty elements)
The id attribute has several roles in HTML:
As a style sheet selector. (This means, you can use it to describe CSS styles)
As a target anchor for hypertext links.(When you can jump to a section of a page)
As a means to reference a particular element from a script.(document.getElementById("whatever"))
As the name of a declared OBJECT element.
For general purpose processing by user agents (e.g. for identifying fields when extracting data from HTML pages into a database, translating HTML documents into other formats, etc.).
What Classes are for (directly from the HTML4 spec, with my notes)
The class attribute [...] assigns one or more class names to an element (this one gets to be re-used to your heart's content) ; the element may be said to belong to these classes. A class name may be shared by several element instances. The class attribute has several roles in HTML:
As a style sheet selector (when an author wishes to assign style information to a set of elements).
For general purpose processing by user agents. (Basically, it's just another part of an element)
What? I don't get it.
IDs: It's the fingerprint of something, there's only one, you only use each fingerprint once in the entire document. You only use it when you need to give something an ID. You probably don't want to have hundreds of these, or even tens of these. You rarely if ever need to start making these. The specific uses are for target anchors, improving selector speed in rare edge-cases. Generally you never describe your CSS based on IDs, you might have some edge-cases such as #HEADER .body h1, which may be different from your #BODY, I'd still advise against making them IDs for no real reason.
Classes: Nothing to do with unique fingerprints or linking to sections of a page, classes don't uniquely identify something. Classes describe a group of things that belong together or should behave the same way. If you're part of the class called coffee you should exhibit classes as one might expect from coffee, if you're a class of cellphone, then look like a cellphone (don't provide coffee).
But how the heck am I supposed to access the 4th cell in the 6th column of some table, or group of divs or that 20th list item?
This is where people who don't know what HTML is throw their hands up in the air and decide to assign IDs to all the elements. This is a total side-effect of nobody properly explaining to you how HTML works. That's a nice way of saying you didn't RFTM or ask questions early on (user1066982 in this case, did, which is amazing and makes me happy, I'm writing this to point other people to in the future who fail at HTML).
You need to start learning right now. Stop pretending you understand this stuff.
HTML is not a string of text such as <foo><bar>baz</bar>blah<ding/></foo>, sure that's how you write HTML but if that's what you believe it is you do not understand HTML in the browser.
HTML is a document that is structured like XML. HTML documents have a model, that means they aren't flat text. The text-representation of that document is a way your browser can take flat text and turn it into a tree structure. Trees are like arrays, except they aren't just flat elements in an array one-after-another, but rather they nest so one element may point to several other elements.
This below isn't a diagram (stolen from the w3c's spec on the Document Object Model) of how to write HTML text, this is a diagram of how your browser stores it in memory:
Since it's in memory like that, it doesn't mean "Oh crap! I have no way to access the first TD in the second TR of the table body in the table!", it means you simply and plainly explain to your code that there is a child element inside of the table.
JavaScript provides a full DOM API that allows you to access every single node in that DOM tree.
PHP provides a full DOM API that allows you to access every single node in that DOM tree.
C++ has a full DOM API that allows you to access every single node in that DOM tree.
ASP provides a full DOM API that allows you to access every single node in that DOM tree.
EVERYTHING that touches the DOM provides a full DOM API that allows you to access every single node in that DOM tree, with the exception of sub-standard software that throws regular expressions around in a futile attempt at parsing HTML.
Use the API for the DOM to access those nodes based on semantic HTML. Semantic HTML means you have a structure to your HTML that makes sense. Paragraphs go in <p> tags, headings go into heading tags, and so on.
You never, under any circumstances, what-so-ever need to reproduce the DOM API through hacking in values with ID tags because you didn't know you could just say getAllEmentsByTagName("td")[4] to get the fourth element.
If you can grab getAllEmentsByName("td")[4] you don't need to do <td id="id4"> and then later getElementById("id4") because you didn't want learn just one other API call. I dread the day I ever have to maintain a pile of code left behind by someone who felt the need to stick an ID into every element "just to be sure", especially when I need to go back and insert a new element between the fifth and sixth element in a table of thousands (can you imagine replacing EVERY id? Especially when this feature was accounted for over 10 years ago?! Insanity!)
Tl;dr
HTML isn't actually just a pile of text with one way to access it
rtfm, stop pretending you understand it because you can do a handful of things, you're holding yourself back.
Don't shove IDs everywhere, only use them where absolutely required.
Use classes to describe things, not identify things.
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Profit.
However, for readability purposes, it's sometimes nice to have a unique ID for each element instead.
This makes absolutely no sense to me. What makes an ID more readable than a class? There's no point assigning unique identifiers to each of a group of related elements if there's no benefit in having identities.
For what it's worth, realize that a single element can have both classes and an ID. If your elements need to be uniquely identified somehow, give them IDs. If multiple elements should be styled identically and are all similar in purpose anyway, use classes. If your elements fit both criteria, give them both attributes, and use each attribute accordingly.
IDs should not be used for styling. Use classes instead. IDs have a very high specificity, and are difficult to override (leading to more IDs, and longer selector chains). Also, IDs are used for JavaScript DOM selection, so if you're using the same IDs in your CSS that you're using in your JavaScript, you've tied the styles to the scripts, and that's bad separation of concerns.
IDs are for JavaScript. Classes are for CSS.
Note: JavaScript and specificity are not the only reasons. Others include fragment identifiers and code reuse. As I say in the comments, there are several smart people who advise against IDs (start there and follow the links)
I use IDs for elements that have clear responsibility, Classes for element that have same presentations, for example:
HTML:
<div id='sport-news'>
<article class='news'>...</article>
<article class='news'>...</article>
</div>
CSS:
.news { /* global styles */ }
[id=sport-news] .news { /* specific styles */ }
JavaScript:
var sportNews = document.getElementById('sport-news') // faster
, news = sportNews.childNodes;
For me, [id] .class is more readable than .parent-class .child-class.
When designing, I will use both id's and classes. For specific items I will use id only. But if you need to apply same styles for different items, use classes. You cannot use same id for different items because id is specific to one item only.
Why is it bad practice to have more than one HTML element with the same id attribute on the same page? I am looking for a way to explain this to someone who is not very familiar with HTML.
I know that the HTML spec requires ids to be unique but that doesn't sound like a convincing reason. Why should I care what someone wrote in some document?
The main reason I can think of is that multiple elements with the same id can cause strange and undefined behavior with Javascript functions such as document.getElementById. I also know that it can cause unexpected behavior with fragment identifiers in URLs. Can anyone think of any other reasons that would make sense to HTML newbies?
Based on your question you already know what w3c has to say about this:
The id attribute specifies a unique id for an HTML element (the id
attribute value must be unique within the HTML document).
The id attribute can be used to point to a style in a style sheet.
The id attribute can also be used by a JavaScript (via the HTML DOM)
to make changes to the HTML element with the specific id.
The point with an id is that it must be unique. It is used to identify an element (or an anything: if two students had the same student id schools would come apart at the seems). It's not like a human name, which needn't be unique. If two elements in an array had the same index, or if two different real numbers were equal... the universe would just fall apart. It's part of the definition of identity.
You should probably use class for what you are trying to do, I think (ps: what are you trying to do?).
Hope this helps!
Why should I care what someone wrote in some document?
You should care because if you are writing HTML, it will be rendered in a browser which was written by someone who did care. W3C created the spec and Google, Mozilla, Microsoft etc... are following it so it is in your interest to follow it as well.
Besides the obvious reason (they are supposed to be unique), you should care because having multiple elements with the same id can break your application.
Let's say you have this markup:
<p id="my_id">One</p>
<p id="my_id">Two</p>
CSS is forgiving, this will color both elements red:
#my_id { color:red; }
..but with JavaScript, this will only style the first one:
document.getElementById('my_id').style.color = 'red';
This is just a simple example. When you're doing anything with JavaScript that relies on ids being unique, your whole application can fall apart. There are questions posted here every day where this is actually happening - something crucial is broken because the developer used duplicate id attributes.
Because if you have multiple HTML elements with the same ID, it is no longer an IDentifier, is it?
Why can't two people have the same social security number?
You basicaly responded to the question. I think that as long as an elemenet can no longer be uniquely identified by the id, than any function that resides on this functionality will break. You can still choose to search elements in an xpath style using the id like you would use a class, but it's cumbersome, error prone and will give you headaches later.
The main reason I can think of is that multiple elements with the same id can cause strange and undefined behavior with Javascript functions such as document.getElementById.
... and XPath expressions, crawlers, scrapers, etc. that rely on ids, but yes, that's exactly it. If they're not convinced, then too bad for them; it will bite them in the end, whether they know it or not (when their website gets visited poorly).
Why should a social security number be unique, or a license plate number? For the same reason any other identifier should be unique. So that it identifies exactly one thing, and you can find that one thing if you have the id.
The main reason I can think of is that multiple elements with the same
id can cause strange and undefined behavior with Javascript functions
such as document.getElementById.
This is exactly the problem. "Undefined behavior" means that one user's browser will behave one way (perhaps get only the first element), another will behave another way (perhaps get only the last element), and another will behave yet another way (perhaps get an array of all elements). The whole idea of programming is to give the computer (that is, the user's browser) exact instructions concerning what you want it to do. When you use ambiguous instructions like non-unique ID attributes, then you get unpredictable results, which is not what a programmer wants.
Why should I care what someone wrote in some document?
W3C specs are not merely "some document"; they are the rules that, if you follow in your coding, you can reasonably expect any browser to obey. Of course, W3C standards are rarely followed exactly by all browsers, but they are the best set of commonly accepted ground rules that exist.
The short answer is that in HTML/JavaScript DOM API you have the getElementById function which returns one element, not a collection. So if you have more than one element with the same id, it would not know which one to pick.
But the question isn't that dumb actually, because there are reasons to want one id that might refer to more than one element in the HTML. For example, a user might make a selection of text and wants to annotate it. You want to show this with a
<span class="Annotation" id="A01">Bla bla bla</span>
If the user selected text that spans multiple paragraphs, then the needs to be broken up into fragments, but all fragments of that selection should be addressable by the same "id".
Note that in the past you could put
<a name="..."/>
elements in your HTML and you could find them with getElementsByName. So this is similar. But unfortunately the HTML specifications have started to deprecate this, which is a bad idea because it leaves an important use case without a simple solution.
Of course with XPath you can do anything use any attribute or even text node as an id. Apparently the XPointer spec allows you to make reference to elements by any XPath expression and use that in URL fragment references as in
http://my.host.com/document.html#xpointer(id('A01'))
or its short version
http://my.host.com/document.html#A01
or, other equivalent XPath expressions:
http://my.host.com/document.html#xpointer(/*/descendant-or-self::*[#id = 'A01'])
and so, one could refer to name attributes
http://my.host.com/document.html#xpointer(/*/descendant-or-self::*[#name = 'A01'])
or whatever you name your attributes
http://my.host.com/document.html#xpointer(/*/descendant-or-self::*[#annotation-id = 'A01'])
Hope this helps.