I need a bit advice of the following topics: adding two signed/magnitude and adding two complement binary numbers. I did my calculations on paper and uploaded the picture. Sorry if my picture is sideways (I don't know why the upload does that)
Adding two signed/magnitude
+6 + (-6)
Ignore the carry 1. The sum is 4 and incorrect. No overflow because we have added two numbers with different signed indicators, 0 and 1.
+4 + (+5)
The sum is -1 and incorrect. Overflow because we because we have added two numbers with the same signed indicators 0.
Adding two complement binary numbers
+6 + (-6)
Ignore the carry 1. The sum is 0 and correct. No overflow because we have added two numbers with different signed indicators, 0 and 1.
+4 + (+5)
The sum is -7 and incorrect. Overflow because we because we have added two numbers with the same signed indicators 0.
Did I understand correctly about binary addition overflow and sum correctness though my examples?
From this University course
4.11.4. Addition and Subtraction
Addition and subtraction require attention to the sign bit. If the signs are the same, we simply add the magnitudes as unsigned numbers and watch for overflow. If the signs differ, we subtract the smaller magnitude from the larger, and keep the sign of the larger.
So for sign-magnitude you got the first one wrong.
The signs differ so you subtract the larger from the smaller. As they are the same, it doesn't matter what you pick. The result is 0 and it is correct. +0 or -0. It doesn't matter as they both represent the same thing.
You got the second one wrong too because for the sum +4+5, you should keep the sign + for the result and then add the magnitude. Which is
1 carry (ignore carry to the most sign bit)
0100 +4
0101 +5
--------
0001 +1
The result is +1 and there was an overflow that was detected by the carry out to the most significant bit, which is the sign bit.
Check this for more info http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~smoler/x86text/lect.notes/arith.int.html
2's complement
Your answers are correct :tada:
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First of all, this is not a duplicate question of this because it hasn't answered my questions below.
I searched for many resources and ended with no clear perception of how to perform signed number division using 2's complement, specifically for the case where one of the divisors or dividend or both are negative.
I read the Signed Number Division section from chapter 2 of Digital Fundamentals by Floyed and all of its examples and problems. I even read through internet resources that explain division, but they only used positive numbers (as explained below):
, but what about 100/-25 or -100/25 or -100/-25?
What are the rules to follow?
Can anyone give a simple explanation on, for example, how to divide 14 by -7?
The rules states that if the numbers have different sign bits that the quotient and remainder gotten when both are divided(this is after the have both been turned positive) will be negative.So for 14/-7, they will have different sign bits when turned to binary so this means your quotient and remainder will be negative. Now you leave 14 in positive form and turn -7 to it's corresponding positive binary number and carry out the division with the positive forms of both numbers, when you get your quotient and remainder from dividing the positive form of both numbers you turn both the quotient and remainder negative.
I'm trying to wrap my head around overflow within twos complement for example say I'm trying to take away these two binary numbers:
1111 1000 0100 - 010 111 001 000
I convert the 2nd binary number to it's two complement equivalent and then simply add it but I noticed it resulted in an overflow of 1, do I simply ignore the overflow? or is there a rule I must follow
1111 1000 0100 + 1010 0011 1000 = (1) 1001 1011 1100
Short answer:
if you are performing arithmetic on fixed-width binary numbers, using two's complement representation for negative numbers, then yes, you ignore the one-bit overflow.
Long Answer:
You can consider each ith bit in n-bit two's complement notation have place value 2^i, for 0 <= i < n - 1, with bit n - 1 (the sign bit) having place value -2^(n - 1). That's a negative place value for the sign bit. If you compute the sum of two such numbers as if they were unsigned n-bit binary numbers, these cases are fine:
the sign bit is not set in the either addend or in the result (reinterpreted as being in two's-complement representation),
the sign bit is set in exactly one of the addends, regardless of overflow (which is ignored if it occurs), or
the sign bit is set in both addends (therefore there is an overflow, which is ignored) and in the result.
To understand that, it may be easier to think about the problem as two separate sums: a sum of the sign bits, and a sum of the value (other) bits. An overflow of the value sum yields an overflow bit whose place value is 2^(n-1) -- exactly the inverse of the place value of a sign bit -- therefore such an overflow cancels one sign bit.
The negative + negative case requires such a cancellation for the result to be representable (two sign bits + one value overflow = one sign bit), and the positive + positive case cannot accommodate such a cancellation because there is no sign bit available to be cancelled. In the positive + negative case, there is an overflow of the value-bit sum in exactly those cases where the result is non-negative; you can consider that to cancel the sign bit of the negative addend, wich yields the same result as ignoring the overflow of the overall unsigned sum, and reinterpreting the sum as a two's complement number.
The remaining cases yield mathematical results that cannot be represented in n-bit two's complement format -- either greater than the largest representable number, or less than the smallest. If you ignore overflow then such results can be recognized by an apparent sign flip. What you do with that is a question of error recovery strategy.
From Wikipedia's article on 2's complement in the section on addition at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two%27s_complement#Addition, my understanding is that carry beyond the given (fixed) bit length (to the left) can be ignored but not overflow as determined when the leftmost two bits of the carry are different. The article shows how to maintain a carry row so as to tell if there was overflow and here is a simple example in the same style:
In 4 bit 2's complement -2 is 1110 and +3 is 0011 so
11110 carry
1110 -2
+0011 +3
----
10001 which is 0001 or simply 1 ignoring the carry in bit 5 and is
safe since the leftmost two bits in the carry row are identical
Although this is a very old question, it comes up frequently. In two's complement addition, a carry out from the leftmost digit is discarded. Why? Although not precisely correct mathematically, it is easiest to think of a two’s complement number as having a sign bit on the left and value bits elsewhere. The only way a carry out of the sign bit can occur is if the sign bits of both addends were one (negative) and there was a carry in to the sign bit. In that case, the sign bit of the result will be one, which is correct. A problem occurs if the carry in to the sign bit is different from the carry out. That causes an incorrect sign bit, which is an overflow condition. That can be detected without referring to the carry out from the sign bit because the sign of the result will be wrong. For example, if two positive numbers are added and the result is negative, something is wrong. The something that’s wrong is that the sum of the value bits has overflowed into the sign bit and the result is in error.
With pen and paper arithmetic, it is usual to discard the carry and check that the sign of the result is correct. In electronic circuits, the easiest way is to compare that carry in to the carry out with an XOR and signal an error if they differ. The carry out is not otherwise used or stored.
Say I have a 4 bit ALU, I have a carry flag, overflow flag, and a sign flag(MSB). How would I go about subtracting for example, two signed 8 bit numbers? I take the lower nibble of both numbers and subtract them right, but I don't understand how to know if there needs to be a 5th bit, and carry that over to the LSB of the high nibble of the number, and if so, how to add it considering I am doing this in 2's complement so I already have Carryin being used.. Any help would be appreciated.
This has been asked and answered here many times.
You know the rule about twos complement yes? Invert and add one. Also from grade school
a + b = a + (-b).
We dont have subtract hardware we have add hardware. What you do is a + (-b). Also from grade school we learned about carrying, 9+3 = 2 carry the 1. And from the second column on we have either two or three operands that are added together (a + (-b) + c, c being the carry in). If you think about it we can have a carry in on every column, sometimes it is zero. That is how the hardware works, each column is three in two out, carry in[n], a[n], b[n] the output is result[n] and carry out[n]. and as we know from grade school the carry out of this column is the carry in of the next column. So for a normal add the carry in of the least significant bit is always a zero, but for subtract we want to invert and add one so what we do is invert b and change the carry in of that first bit to a 1 which is the same as
a + (~b) + 1 which equals a + (-b) which equals a - b.
As far as addition and subtract hardware is concerned there is no such thing as signed or unsigned add or subtract. There does exist an unsigned overflow (carry out of the msbit) and a signed overflow (true if carry in and carry out of the msbit are not the same, false if they match).
This works for any number of bits, for example if you have 8 bit hardware but want to do math on 256 bit numbers, just do them 8 bits at a time and apply the carry out to the next 8 bits (add with carry or subtract with borrow instruction). Visualize the single columns one at a time, 4 bits is just four of those columns, 8, 9 bits 37 bits, etc. You can easily take any of those larger numbers draw a vertical line anywhere separating it into two operations all you have to do is what you do for single columns the carry out of the msbit of the thing on the right becomes the carry in of the lsbit of the thing on the left of the dividing line. Apply this to 8 bit math with 4 bit hardware...
So a subtract is an add with a carry in of 1 and the second operand inverted. Now some hardware inverts the carry out (unsigned overflow) on a subtract so that it becomes 1 for borrow and 0 for not borrow (unsigned borrow/overflow). Some dont. So you have to know how this works if you dont have a subtract with borrow instruction. If you have a subtract with borrow it doesnt matter if they invert carry out they will generically invert carry in (on a subtract). If they dont then again they wont on a subtract with borrow. but if you have to use an add with carry to simulate a subtract with borrow you need to possibly not only invert the second operand but invert the carry bit. If you dont have an add with carry then you have to simulate that as well by simply adding 1 or not.
Im doing this question and some clarification would be super helpful. What exactly would an overflow entail? If when converting to decimal notation an extra bit would be needed? Fro part 3 "consider the bits as two's complement numbers" does he mean find the 2's complement? Thanks a bunch.
For number 3 he does not mean find the 2's complement. He is telling you to treat the values as signed numbers using 2's complement notation. That would mean the first value in a) is positive and the other three are negative.
For overflow it is different for 2 and 3. For 2, unsigned numbers, overflow occurs if there is a carry out of the high bit. For 3, 2's complement signed numbers, overflow occurs if the sign of the result is not correct. For example, if you add two positive numbers and the result is negative, there was overflow.
If you add x and y and get a result that is less than x or less than y, then the addition has overflowed (wrapped-around).
An overflow would be if the resulting sum is a larger number than can be expressed in an 8 bit system. I believe that would be any number greater than 255 (1 << 8).
Your assumption "an extra bit" is mostly correct. In an 8 bit system, all numbers are stored in 8 bits. Any operation that results in a number greater than the maximum that can be represented will be an overflow. This doesn't happen when you convert to decimal, but when you actually perform the sum with the binary values. If all numbers are 8 bits, you can't just add an additional bit when you need to store a larger number.
Yes, "two's complement" is the same as "2's complement". I'm not aware of any distinction between whether you spell it out or use the numeral.
I'm watching some great lectures from David Malan (here) that is going over binary. He talked about signed/unsigned, 1's compliment, and 2's complement representations. There was an addition done of 4 + (-3) which lined up like this:
0100
1101 (flip 0011 to 1100, then add "1" to the end)
----
0001
But he waved his magical hands and threw away the last carry. I did some wikipedia research bit didn't quite get it, can someone explain to me why that particular carry (in the 8's ->16's columns) was dropped, but he kept the one just prior to it?
Thanks!
The last carry was dropped because it does not fit in the target space. It would be the fifth bit.
If he had carried out the same addition, but with for example 8 bit storage, it would have looked like this:
00000100
11111101
--------
00000001
In this situation we would also be stuck with an "unused" carry.
We have to treat carries this way to make addition with two's compliment work properly, but that's all good, because this is the easiest way of treating carries when you have limited storage. Anyway, we get the correct result, right :)
x86-processors store such an additional carry in the carry flag (CF), which is possible to test with certain instructions.
A carry is not the same as an overflow
In the example you do have a carry out of the MSB. By definition, this carry ends up on the floor. (If there was someplace for it to go, then it would not have been out of the MSB.)
But adding two numbers with different signs cannot overflow. An overflow can only happen when two numbers with the same sign produce a result with a different sign.
If you extend the left-hand side by adding more digit positions, you'll see that the carry rolls over into an infinite number of bit positions towards the left, so you never really get a final carry of 1. So the answer is positive.
...000100
+...111101
----------
....000001
At some point you have to set the number of bits to represent the numbers. He chose 4 bits. Any carry into the 5th bit is lost. But that's OK because he decided to represent the number in just 4 bits.
If he decided to use 5 bits to represent the numbers he would have gotten the same result.
That's the beauty of it... Your result will be the same size as the terms you are adding. So the fifth bit is thrown out
In 2's complement you use the carry bit to signal if there was an overflow in the last operation.
You must look at the LAST two carry bits to see if there was overflow. In your example, the last two carry bits were 11 meaning that there was no overflow.
If the last two carry bits are 11 or 00 then no overflow occurred. If the last two carry bits are 10 or 01 then there was overflow. That is why he sometimes cared about the carry bit and other times he ignored it.
The first row below is the carry row. The left-most bits in this row are used to determine if there was overflow.
1100
0100
1101
----
0001
Looks like you're only using 4 bits, so there is no 16's column.
If you were using more than 4 bits then the -3 representation would be different, and the carry of the math would still be thrown out the end. For example, with 6 bits you'd have:
000100
111101
------
1000001
and since the carry is outside the bit range of your representation it's gone, and you only have 000001
Consider 25 + 15:
5+5 = 10, we keep the 0 and let the 1 go to the tens-column. Then it's 2 + 1 (+ 1) = 4. Hence the result is 40 :)
It's the same thing with binaries. 0 + 1 = 1, 0 + 0 = 0, 1 + 1 = 10 => send the 1 the 8-column, 0 + 1 ( + 1 ) = 10 => send the 1 to the next column - Here's the overflow and why we just throw the 1 away.
This is why 2's complement is so great. It allows you to add / substract just like you do with base-10, because you (ab)use the fact that the sign-bit is the MSB, which will cascade operations all the way to overflows, when nessecary.
Hope I made myself understood. Quite hard to explan this when english is not you native tongue :)
When performing 2's complement addition, the only time that a carry indicates a problem is when there's an overflow condition - that can't happen if the 2 operands have a different sign.
If they have the same sign, then the overflow condition is when the sign bit changes from the 2 operands, ie., there's a carry into the most significant bit.
If I remember my computer architecture learnin' this is often detected at the hardware level by a flag that's set when the carry into the most significant bit is different than the carry out of the most significant bit. Which is not the case in your example (there's a carry into the msb as well as out of the msb).
One simple way to think of it is as "the sign not changing". If the carry into the msb is different than the carry out, then the sign has improperly changed.
The carry was dropped because there wasn't anything that could be done with it. If it's important to the result, it means that the operation overflowed the range of values that could be stored in the result. In assembler, there's usually an instruction that can test for the carry beyond the end of the result, and you can explicitly deal with it there - for example, carrying it into the next higher part of a multiple precision value.
Because you are talking about 4 bit representations. It's unussual compared to an actual machine, but if we were to take for granted that a computer has 4 bits in each byte for a moment, then we have the following properties: a byte wraps at 15 to -15. Anything outside that range cannot be stored. Besides, what would you do with an extra 5th bit beyond the sign bit anyway?
Now, given that, we can see from everyday math that 4 + (-3) = 1, which is exactly what you got.