First time posting. Long time reader!
I've recently started delving into Access. I have some background/slash knowledge with databasing and I've made good progress on my little project - however, I am stumped when it comes to nesting/many one-to-many's. I'm trying to work it all out as an algorithm first, instead of continuing on in frustration. I vaguely remember that in SQL you can have parent and child forms, where the child form each parent is persistent. Is that the same with MS Access Subforms?
Maybe its a limitation of Access, or maybe I'm just a muppet noob - so I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction!
Scenario:
Let's consider a building/office: This building has Doors and Rooms. For the sake of the question, let's only consider the Doors and Rooms.
In my scenario, a Room can have multiple doors, whereas a Door can only have a maximum of two Rooms (the two rooms that it joins).
I have a table of Doors and a table of Rooms, each with a PK.
I want to have a list of Doors, that demonstrates what Rooms they are associated with (should only ever be two) and I also want a register of Rooms, that lists all Doors associated with the Room.
Problem 1: So considering the Rooms scenario, how would I associate it with the Doors Table, in such a way that I can have multiple entries linked to the Room Table. I'm assuming a join them through a third table that links Rooms and Doors.
Problem 2: In relation to the Doors scenario, what would be the best way? Would I make two columns/fields in the Door Table, like Room_A and Room_B, or would I somehow join them through a third table?
Problem 3: Further to this, I will need to make a list of all Doors that are accessible in both Room_A and Room_B. I think this part won't be so hard once the two other problems are dealt with.
Before anyone jumps in and says "upload a screenshot you douchebag" - I can't upload anything at the moment. I'll try and upload something later today.
Thanks in advance for any info!
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I'm a little stumped on whether i can make this process of changing addresses easier. I'll explain the situation:
Basically I have three entities, Students, Addresses, StudentsAddresses. Students have many addresses, since they can change alot and rapidly (especially foster kids / homeless kids). So ill be changing them a lot. However based on each address I Want a user to attach (enter it via the UI) the price it would cost to pick that student up via bus service. So my initial thought was, ok, let me attach a column onto my join table 'StudentsAddresses' called 'dailyPrice', this is the cost for each day a student is picked up, and another column called 'adjustmentPrice', which is an additional cost for whatever special circumstance that requires extra work to pick up a student. Is my thinking going to cause me problems the more students I have in the future? Will it get harder to manage?
Another option I thought about, was creating a new Table called Pricing. And another join-type table called StudentsAddressesPricing
StudentsAddressPricing has three columns,
studentId
addressId
pricingId
each field connects the three together. So if i ever needed Students, with their addresses, and the pricing, i would query this table and eager load Students, Addresses, and Pricing. Does this approach seem much cleaner since i've abstracted pricing out a bit? Trying to determine the best way to go about this without having to many headaches in the future incase I wan't to add more attributes pricing related, or address related.
And then I even thought, hey what if pricing is just different for one day? How would I even consider that. Would I need a different kind of entity to handle that? Is doing alot of joins going to hurt my application performance?
Just looking for some insight on how others would do it, and criticism on why im off the ball.
The main question you should ask yourself is: on what does the price depend?
If the price is determined by the address, you might as well add it to addresses. If the price also depends on the student (e.g., depending on their financial situation), it would make sense to put it into studentsaddresses.
In other words: The table where the price is stored should have foreign keys to everything outside the table that determines the price. If that makes it fit into one of the existing tables, keep it there.
If I have a list of theatres and in each theatre there are several classes of tickets eg. Rs.120, Rs.100 etc. These classes will apply for morning, noon and night shows. So all the classes of tickets will be available for all the shows(Many to Many Relationship) I need to model this as a database. I have a problem in modelling the classes and show timings. This makes the data base redundant.
Input Excel data
A good rule of thumb, is when you hit redundant data, make a new table.
Here is how I would break it down, though you could break it down further (also see a term normalize):
Tables:
theater_tbl
ticket_tbl
classes_tbl
relate each ticket to a class, and each theater may sell one or more tickets of any given class.
Information like address of theater go with theater_tbl
Ticket pricing would go in the ticket table under the type of ticket, unless I misunderstand what a class of ticket is, then the pricing should go there.
The time of day a ticket relates to should go in the ticket table.
This should get you started. To go further, you could break down show times into another table, and relate classes/tickets to those show times.
Its hard to draw out without a solid example.
I've got a few days left before I need to hand in my relational database and everything's going alright. I have the database itself built but there's one design issue that I just can't figure out.
I need a results table, one that references the Members and the Competitions table but I already have a link table there. I'm pretty sure I've simply managed to mislead myself but hope you guys can help! :)
Since I'm an awkward 2 points away from being able to post an image, an imgur link to the schema itself is located here: http://imgur.com/mgKaQql
Looking at your tables, I think you are looking for either
joining Members-Competitions to Competitions-Prizes, which would give the explicit relationship between the member and the prize that they won in that competition, (This is creating a Members-Competitions-Prizes "link" or relation)
or
adding an attribute to the Members-Competitions relation that would show that members placement in the competition regardless of whether they won a prize. (This is creating a new column in the Members-Competition link/relation)
You choice will depend on what you expect to do with the information.
We presently use a pen/paper based roster to manage table games staff at the casino. Each row is an employee, each column is a 20 minute block of time and each cell represents what table the employee is assigned to, or alternatively they've been assigned to a break. The start and end time of shifts for employees vary as do the games/skills they can deal. We need to keep a copy of the rosters for 7 years, with paper this is fairly easy, I'm wanting to develop a digital application and am having difficulty how to store the data in a database for archiving.
I'm fairly new to working with databases, I think I understand how to model the data for a graph database like neo4j, but I had difficulty when it came to working with time. I've tried to learn about RDBMS databases like MySQL, below is how I think the data should be modelled. Please point out if I'm going in the wrong direction or if a different database type would be more appropriate, it would be greatly appreciated!
Basic Data
Here is some basic data to work with before we factor in scheduling/time.
Employee
- ID Number
- Name
- Skills (Blackjack, Baccarat, Roulette, etc)
Table
- ID Number
- Skill/Type (Can only be one skill)
It may be better to store the roster data as a file like JSON instead? Time sensitive data wouldn't be so much of a problem then. The benefit of going digital with a database would be queries, these could help assist time consuming tasks where human error is common.
Possible Queries
Note: Staff that are on shift are either on a break or on the floor (assigned to a table), Skills have a major or minor type based on difficulty to learn.
What staff have been on the floor for 80 minutes or more? (They are due for a break)
What open tables can I assign this employee to based on their skillset?
I need an employee that has Baccarat skill but is not already been assigned to a Baccarat table.
What employee(s) was on this table during this period of time?
Where was this employee at this point in time?
Who is on shift right now?
How many staff on shift can deal Blackjack?
How many staff have 3 major skills?
What staff have had the Baccarat skill for at least 3 months?
These queries could also be sorted by alphabetical order or time, skill etc.
I'm pretty sure I know how to perform these queries with cypher for neo4j provided I model the data right. I'm not as knowledgeable with SQL queries, I've read it can get a bit complicated depending on the query and structure.
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MYSQL Specific
An employee table could contain properties such as their ID number and Name, but am I right that for their skills and shifts these would be separate tables that reference the employee by a unique integer(I think this is called a foreign key?).
Another table could store the gaming Tables, these would have their own ID and reference a skill/gametype with a foreign key.
To record data like the pen/paper roster, each day could have a table with columns starting from 0000 increasing by 20 in value going all the way to 2340? Prior to the time columns I could have one for staff where each employee is represented with their foreign key, the time columns would then have foreign keys to the assigned gaming Tables, the row data is bound to have many cells that aren't populated since the employee shift won't be 24/7. If I'm using foreign keys to reference gaming Tables I now have a problem when the employee is on break? Unless I treat say the first gaming Table entry as a break?
I may need to further complicate things though, management will over time try different gaming Table layouts, some of the gaming Tables can be converted from say Blackjack to Baccarat. this is bound to happen quite a bit over 7 years, would I want to be creating new gaming Table entries or add a column to use a foreign key and refer to a new table that stores the history of game types during periods of time? Employees will also learn to deal new games during their career, very rarely they may also have the skill removed.
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Neo4j Specific
With this data would I have an Employee and a Table node that have "isA" relationship edges mapping to actual employees or tables?
I imagine with the skills for the two types I would be best with a Skill node and establish relationships like so?: Blackjack->isA->Skill, Employee->hasSkill->Blackjack, Table->typeIs->Blackjack?
TIME
I find difficulty when I want this database to now work with a timeline. I've come across the following suggestions for connecting nodes with time:
Unix Epoch seems to be a common recommendation?
Connecting nodes to a year/month/day graph?
Lucene timeline? (I don't know much about this or how to work with it, have seen some mention it)
And some cases with how time and data relate:
Staff have varied days and start/end times from week to week, this could be shift node with properties {shiftStart,shiftEnd,actualStart,actualEnd}, staff may arrive late or get sick during shift. Would this be the right way to link each shift to an employee? Employee(node)->Shifts(groupNode)->Shift(node)
Tables and Staff may have skill data modified, with archived data this could be an issue, I think the solution is to have time property on the relationship to the skill?
We open and close tables throughout the day, each table has open/close times for each day, this could change in a month depending on what management wants, in addition the times are not strict, for various reasons a manager may open or close tables during the shift. The open/closed status of a table node may only be relevant for queries during the shift, which confuses me as I'd want this for queries but for archiving with time it might not make sense?
It's with queries that I have trouble deciding when to use a node or add a property to a node. For an Employee they have a name and ID number, if I wanted to find an employee by their ID number would it be better to have that as a node of it's own? It would be more direct right, instead of going through all employees for that unique ID number.
I've also come across labels just recently, I can understand that those would be useful for typing employee and table nodes rather than grouping them under a node. With the shifts for an employee I think should continue to be grouped with a shifts node, If I were to do cypher queries for employees working shifts through a time period a label might be appropriate, however should it be applied to individual shift nodes or the shifts group node that links back to the employee? I might need to add a property to individual shift nodes or the relationship to the shifts group node? I'm not sure if there should be a shifts group node, I'm assuming that reducing the edges connecting to the employee node would be optimal for queries.
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If there are any great resources I can learn about database development that'd be great, there is so much information and options out there it's difficult to know what to begin with. Thanks for your time :)
Thanks for spending the time to put a quality question together. Your requirements are great and your specifications of your system are very detailed. I was able to translate your specs into a graph data model for Neo4j. See below.
Above you'll see a fairly explanatory graph data model. In case you are unfamiliar with this, I suggest reading Graph Databases: http://graphdatabases.com/ -- This website you can get a free digital PDF copy of the book but in case you want to buy a hard copy you can find it on Amazon.
Let's break down the graph model in the image. At the top you'll see a time indexing structure that is (Year)->(Month)->(Day)->(Hour), which I have abbreviated as Y M D H. The ellipses indicate that the graph is continuing, but for the sake of space on the screen I've only showed a sub-graph.
This time index gives you a way to generate time series or ask certain questions on your data model that are time specific. Very useful.
The bottom portion of the image contains your enterprise data model for your casino. The nodes represent your business objects:
Game
Table
Employee
Skill
What's great about graph databases is that you can look at this image and semantically understand the language of your question by jumping from one node to another by their relationships.
Here is a Cypher query you can use to ask your questions about the data model. You can just tweak it slightly to match your questions.
MATCH (employee:Employee)-[:HAS_SKILL]->(skill:Skill),
(employee)<-[:DEALS]-(game:Game)-[:LOCATION]->(table:Table),
(game)-[:BEGINS]->(hour:H)<-[*]-(day:D)<-[*]-(month:M)<-[*]-(year:Y)
WHERE skill.type = "Blackjack" AND
day.day = 17 AND
month.month = 1 AND
year.year = 2014
RETURN employee, skill, game, table
The above query finds the sub-graph for all employees who have the skill Blackjack and their table and location on a specific date (1/17/14).
To do this in SQL would be very difficult. The next thing you need to think about is importing your data into a Neo4j database. If you're curious on how to do that please look at other questions here on SO and if you need more help, feel free to post another question or reach out to me on Twitter #kennybastani.
Cheers,
Kenny
I know the title looks a little faque, but my technical english is not as good as would it to be.
My question. I'm designing a kind of work order form with access database. The pretty standard database I can manage, but my problems starts when I want multiple entries for one customer.
For example:
Customer Chris with Id 1 has a problem, he has a BSOD which is fixed. Customer Chris has a new problem some weeks later with his videocard, which will be fixed later ofcourse (;-))
The info above needs to be stored in the access database. Do I need a second table? I really don't have a idea.
You need at least two tables, one for customers and one for problems. The problem table should include such information as customer id, date fixed and fix applied. You may also want to include the engineer, in which case you will also need an employees table, and so it grows.
You may wish to read http://r937.com/relational.html