I am modifying a website that currently uses a <table> for a price list.
Because tables obviously don't break + wrap, on a mobile device the right hand side of the table disappears of the right side of the screen.
I'd like to use CSS to make this price list responsive, so that when the browser runs out of width it renders the next column underneath. This is simple enough if I stop using a single table and use float:left, but in this case I want the name of the cottage to be repeated (the first column) when a horizontal break occurs.
Is this possible? If so, how would I achieve it?
Peter, a better way to construct this to do what your aiming for is not to use the Table element at all.
Instead, use a series of div elements and give them the display type "table-cell" on the individual divs, along with "display: table" and "display: table-row" where needed for for rows and the overall table.
See: http://www.senktec.com/2014/01/using-css-display-table-cell-for-columns/
For an example.
Once you've broken things down into indidvidual div's, your then free to place those divs where you see fit, You could with a little bit of re-layout in the structure of the divs, put a new set down below the the first part of the table as you mention in your question.
However, once your using div elements, this actually opens up a more interesting way of doing things, by using FlexBox and more specifically "flex-wrap".
Flexbox and it's wrapping modes will do exactly what your trying to achieve, you just need to make the parent container "display: flex", add a flex wrap css rule, and the immediate div children of the container will take care of themselves.
Flexbox is fully supported by ALL mainstream browsers these days, and the various table display modes have been around since HTML4, so your not going to have an issue with any of it working. Flex also largely works on IE11, with a few minor edge cases (I implemented an online designer for a company 3 years ago when flexbox was first introduced and the target was IE11).
With the individual div approach, and if your targeting reasonable recent browsers you can actually go one step further and use CSS media queries to adjust things for different display widths
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/Media_Queries/Using_media_queries
and you can even now do some feature detection is CSS too
https://css-tricks.com/using-feature-detection-to-write-css-with-cross-browser-support/
The only thing I can't come up with a possible solution for in pure CSS is the repeating of the cottage names column, although I suspect you might actually be able to conjure something up using "data attributes" and css rules targeting those attributes to get the text of the column name into an "element::before" pseudo css rule of some kind, I'd need to sit and spend a day playing with that idea to come up with anything concrete though.
first a link to the site through github http://torgian.github.io/website-dev/gallery.html
Apologies for any spelling mistakes, been working on this for several hours today.
This is directly to the gallery.
UPDATE#2
Further updated code. HUGE thanks to msfoster for setting me on the right path. Amazing how simple the fix was... I just didn't know what it was! Ahahaha xD
slams down sake I feel like I want to run up a mountain now... but it's 10pm here in Japan, so I'll wait till tomorrow.
Code block coming up with fixes.
<div class="container">
<div class="row">
<div class="col-xs-12 col-sm-6 col-md-4 col-lg-3 image-wrapper"> <a href="img/nasarow-fo-to1.jpg" class="img-thumbnail">
<img src="img/nasarow-fo-to1.jpg" class="img-responsive img-height">
</a></div>
The above was a list of 7 image divs, separated into two rows. That was my first problem. So I removed the second row, but still had a problem with images not staying in one uniform row.
So I next put in this CSS:
.image-wrapper {
height: 300px;
width: auto;}
It took some experimenting to get the height and width right, but found that if I let the width to AUTO and kept the height at a fixed rate, the images were still responsive to viewport size and stayed in the same uniform row.
Gods that was hard.
I'm not sure if this is a permanent fix or not, but I will be revisiting it in the future when I add more galleries.
I'm using bootstrap to create a gallery with the grid system. Unfortunately, I've been trying to get things to line up correctly for the past few days. I cant quite seem to get clearfix to work correctly, I don't know if I'm putting the code into the wrong spot into the html or not.
Also tried nth-child code, but I'm stuck on that as well.
I'll continue to research as I wait for answers, but could definitely use some help.
Suggestions?
In CSS I have the height limited to 300px. You can see that some of the pictures are higher than others, and I think this is what's causing the break, but just cant figure out how to keep the pictures from dropping down to the next row instead of having the 2 or 3 pictures I need in each row.
Background: student of HTML and CSS right now. Updating my site as I go through Treehouse courses.
The reason it breaks is the fact that you create a new row for every third image.
# # #
will break to
# #
#
And then the next image is within a new row again:
# #
#
#
Put all images inside one row and they will breake according to the col-x-y you set for each image.
I'm trying to do a simple layout on bootstrap but I can't find a solution that doesn't involve javascript.
I need the template to be like this on medium / large desktops: http://jsfiddle.net/Xx3G4/1/
And it must stay like this on small devices: http://jsfiddle.net/Xx3G4/
If I wasn't clear enough, I need the block "p1":
<div class="teemo-block">p1</div>
to be right after the block "stuff" on medium / larges and after the news on small / x-small.
PS:
Do not forget to re size the jsfiddle to see it on the correct viewport;
The solution of this problem using javascript is pretty easy, the problem is finding one without the use of it.
Thanks for reply
If you are using twitter bootstrap and if you don't have problem creating 2 "p1" blocks, one before and the other after the block "stuff", then there is one solution with the bootstrap class name. Bootstrap has a class called hidden-phone(renamed as hidden-xs in version 3), which hides the element with this class names in phones. Check here
The other solution would be to create 2 blocks as said above, use media queries to display one block and hide the other block. But this is not a pretty good solution, just in case if you don't find any other way without involving javascript
Just reposting and translating the answer I got on Portuguese SO (https://pt.stackoverflow.com/questions/9508/posicao-dos-blocos-em-bootstrap/9721#9721)
I have removed the classes col-push and col-pull and replaced them to pull-left and pull-right, also from bootstrap.
<div class="col-xs-12 col-md-4 pull-right">
<div class="teemo-block">
p1
</div>
</div>
Since, by default, all the 'cols' on bootstrap has float left, if you want to change that you must change it manually, that's why the news block got the pull-left and the other blocks got the pull-right, forcing them to stay on the desired position.
Check the result:
http://jsfiddle.net/luckmattos/hsCw9/7/
I want to present dynamically generated (PHP, XML) questionnaires to the user in the browser like this:
requirements:
1. The left column will will always be a number, the middle and the right column may swap position in some questionnaires.
2. There will be questionnaires with 200 items or so over multiple pages.
3. The width of the container (rounded corners) is fixed at 800px at this time, BUT
4. it has to be flexible / fluid in the near future for being displayed on mobile devices like iPad and iPhone
what I've tried
I experimented both with a <table> based and a <div> based layout:
The <table> was clean and simple, but with lots of overhead and not very flexible, e.g. if I swapped middle and right column for item #2 only...
The <div> based layout was sleeker, I let the containers float, but have to set the divs to a fixed width in order to get them align in columns. In a fluid design, I do not know the widths in advance, which will be a mess then...
questions to the pros:
1. <table> or <div>, regarding my requirements above, what would you prefer?
2. is there some magic tool to make this nice and easy?
3. would you rather serve the raw data and let a client-side script (jQuery) do the positioning instead?
Here's a code example: http://codepen.io/anon/pen/inmwD
Either use a wrapping div or a list element
<div class="parent">
<div class="row">
<div class="col1">1</div>
<div class="col2">Content</div>
<div class="col3"><input type="radio"/></div>
</div>
</div>
In my opinion <table> is for tables <div> is for layout.
Yes there are some style templates usually named grid system or css grid take a look at this stack : https://stackoverflow.com/questions/76996/what-is-the-best-css-grid-framework
I wont arrange elements around with JavaScript unless it can't be done with css or is a special requirement from the marketing guys. The con about this is that you increase the page render time.
Take a look at this fiddle made with a custom 960 grid system that have 6 columns with the width 150px
Fixed width: http://jsfiddle.net/UjXPR/
Fluid width: http://jsfiddle.net/UjXPR/1/
960 gs customizer: http://grids.heroku.com/
Checkout bootstrap grid system
1. <table> or <div>, regarding my requirements above, what would you prefer?
div is specially used for layout of the page and table is specially used for placing tabular data. so in your condition I would choose the table layout for the questionnaire.
2. is there some magic tool to make this nice and easy?
First dream to design how should this row data look then only accomplish for the site.
3. would you rather serve the raw data and let a client-side script (jQuery) do the positioning instead?
This is not good idea but if the clients need so you could do that.
And one more thing, you are not asking for your problem with SO but asking what we like, this is not good practice for SO users.
[Note: for those who may be confusing this question with "why not use tables for HTML layout", I am not asking that question. The question I'm asking is why is a grid layout fundamentally different from a table layout.]
I'm researching CSS libraries (in particular Bootstrap) for a project. I am a programmer rather than a web designer and I feel I could benefit from a library that encapsulates good design.
We all know that it's bad practice to use HTML tables to accomplish basic site layout because it mixes presentation with content. One of the benefits provided by CSS libraries like Bootstrap is that they offer the ability to create "grid" layouts without using tables. I'm having a little trouble, however, understanding how their grid layouts differ in any meaningful way from the equivalent table layout.
In other words, what is the fundamental difference between these two examples of HTML? Am I wrong in thinking that the grid layout is simply a table with another name?
<div class="row">
<div class="span16"></div>
</div>
<div class="row">
<div class="span4"></div>
<div class="span4"></div>
<div class="span4"></div>
<div class="span4"></div>
</div>
and
<table>
<tr>
<td colspan=4></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
</table>
The difference is that the first example is semantically marked up, assuming the data being marked up is not actually tabular. <table> should only be used for tabular data, not for any data which happens to be displayed in a layout similar to a table.
It is correct though that using CSS packages like Bootstrap, which require you to assign classes to HTML elements which are not semantic but presentational, reduces the separation of content and presentation, making the difference somewhat moot. You should be assigning semantically meaningful classes to your elements and use lesscss mixins (or similar technology) to assign presentational behavior defined in the CSS framework to these classes, instead of assigning the presentational classes to the elements directly.
Say:
<div class="products">
<div class="product"></div>
</div>
.products {
.row;
}
.products > .product {
.span16;
}
Note that I say should. In practice this is not necessarily always the more workable option, but it should be the theoretical goal.
I believe that CBroe comment is the best option, so I chose to clarify it.
Avoid div's. A div should be your last resort, not your first option. Instead, try to use Bootstrap classes on the actual elements. For instance:
<form class="container">
<fieldset class="row">
<label class="span4" for"search">Type your search</label>
<input class="span6" type="text" id="search" />
</fieldset>
</form>
It is a shame to use fieldset to contain a single field, but it is semantically best than using a div for the same thing. The HTML5 standard defines many new container elements, such as article, section, header, footer and many more. In some cases you will have to use div's, but if you minimize it's use then your code will be way more semantic.
The fundamental difference is that you can "reflow" the layout with Bootstrap for different display sizes simply using media queries without needing to change your markup. For example, I can decide that on desktops, I want your 4 divs to be on same row because user has high resolution wide display but on phones I want 2 dives on one row and next divs on next rows. So this way I can adapt my column count in each row using media queries. If you use hard coded HTML tables then it is very difficult to do this.
Having said that, I don't really like bootstrap implementation for the following reasons:
It has breakpoints hard coded in pixels. This means, as phones and tables advance in display resolution, your website may start showing unexpected layouts on those devices. Pixel count is poor proxy for display size.
It limits maximum used display area to 1170px which is again a bummer for users with nice wide displays they can actually use to see more content in your app.
Bootstrap's layout is not source independent, i.e., you can't change column order that is set in HTML. This is however more of a pedantic point.
The default layout is for very small resolution and higher resolution layouts trigger only when media queries fire, which IMO, is a poor choice considering phones will continue to have better resolution and sooner than later your website would have default layout set for outdated mobile devices.
Bootstrap layouts are not truly "worry free" in the sense that you have to read their fine print to see all the bugs and browsers they didn't see worthy of supporting but which you may care about. If you are targeting users in South Korea or China, you would be in for surprise, for example.
So, not everything is gold in bootstrap and their approach is not necessarily always the best possible (as an aside, one other thing I despise in bootstrap is their obsession with so called "jumbotrones" - those real estate wasting inconvenient in-your-face headers - which I hope community doesn't start taking as "new standard"). Personally I use CSS table layout (display:table) these days which has similar benefits as bootstrap without hardcoding <table> in my markup. I can still use media queries to rearrange rows depending on portrait or landscape orientation, for example. However the most important benefit is that my layouts are truly pixel or even percentage independent. For example, in 3 column layout, I let content to decide how much space first and last columns should take. There is no pixel or even percentage width. The center column grabs up all the remaining space (which is good thing for my app, but it may not be for others). In addition, I use ems in media query break points which bootstrap surprisingly doesn't.
I use the Bootstrap grid for page layout, tables for tabular data.
I think of the grid in Bootstrap, not as a grid in the developer sense, like a gridview control, but more in the design page-layout sense - as a grid to contain the page contents. And even though the Bootstrap grid could be also used to create a conventional grid containing tabular data, as deceze pointed out, this kind of grid is better suited for HTML tables - which are still acceptable to use in this scenario.
if you just use tables i think you will miss out on alot of flexibility in re-sizing your document for mobile/tablets without having to make a separate page for each device. once your table structure is defined all you can really do is zoom in and out.
While there's not necessarily much semantic difference between the two sets of markup (since the classes used by Bootstrap's grid system are indeed purely presentational), one very important distinction is that the grid system is much more flexible.
It would be very difficult, for example, to make your table-based layout respond to different screen sizes. There's no way to tell the browser to display one td element below another td in the same row. Whereas with the div example, that's easy to do, and the same markup can be presented in different ways even when the classes are "presentational" in the sense that they define the relative proportions and positioning of the elements on the page.
If I may, I'd like to summarize what I gathered from the other comments and the link explosion I experienced from this page:
The problem with using tables isn't the grid layout, it is the attempt to express it with HTML instead of CSS.
Bootstrap allows grid layouts through (mostly) pure CSS, which is why it is OK. The 'mostly' part comes because your HTML will still be contaminated by your layout data, but more subtly:
<nav class="span4"> ... </nav>
<article class="span8"> ... </article>
This is surely significantly more semantic and maintainable than the old tabular designs, but the 'span4' and 'span8' are still display-data embedded into our HTML. However, since design can never be truly be decoupled from our data (e.g., nested divs), this is a reasonable price to pay.
That being said, even this coupling can be broken, if you use some more modern CSS features provided by a pre-processed language such as LESS. The same example:
<nav id="secondary-nav"> ... </nav>
<article id="main-content"> ... </article>
Coupled with the following LESS:
#secondary-nav{
.span4;
// More styling (padding, etc) if needed
}
#main-content{
.span8;
}
This creates fully decoupled HTML and Stylesheet, which is ideal, because the HTML is cleaner and more readable, and redesigns can be made with less HTML modification. However this only works if you use LESS or some other CSS pre-processor, because CSS currently does not support mixins (AFAIK).
We already use LESS in my workplace, so I know I'll be pushing towards using this type of solution. I'm a very strong believer in semantic HTML and data-design decoupling. :)
Basically DIVs are DIVs & Table elements are simply table elements. The problem with tables is often just keeping track of all of the columns & the rows because it is ultimately a strict data construct. DIVs are far more flexible & forgiving.
For example, if you wanted to to take the four DIVs with the class that equals "span4" and just change them to a 2 column width, all you would need to do is adjust a wee bit of CSS for the outer class "row" and maybe the class "span4". In fact when doing DIVs like this I would avoid calling individual DIVs "span4" or some other number.
My approach would be to create a parent wrapper DIV that is called "rowspan" and the inner DIVs would have some generic ID like maybe "cell".
<div class="rowspan">
<div class="cell"></div>
<div class="cell"></div>
<div class="cell"></div>
<div class="cell"></div>
</div>
Each "cell" class could have a width of 100 pixels for example, and then the parent "rowspan" could be 400 pixels. That would equate to 4 columns in a row. Want to make it 2 columns? No problem! Just change "rowspan" to be 200 pixels wide. At this point it is all in CSS so it's easy to do without rejiggering page structure in the DOM.
But with tables? Not easy. You would have to basically re-render the table with </tr><tr> tags to create new rows.
Version with table, tr, td depends on browser algorithms - wrapping, dynamic width, margins, centering etc.
Version with div can be more easily tuned by css and scripts.