many to many relation in DB on same table - mysql

I'm making a database for a languages dictionary. I have a table of definitions with words in diferent languages.
DEFINITIONS
-----------
Id
Definition
Language
For example some records may be:
1->casa->spanish
2->house->english
3->maison->french
...
And now I have to create another table for the relationships, but I don't know how to do it correctly. In my application I can have 10 languages more or less. I think two ways of doing this:
RELATIONSHIPS
-------------
Id
Id_Spanish
Id_English
Id_French
...
So that in the same record I have the word in the different languages. Or this other way:
RELATIONSHIPS
-------------
Id
Id_Language_1
Id_Language_2
and linking the words in pairs, for example:
1(Id) -> 1(Id_Language_1) -> 2(Id_Language_2)
1(Id) -> 1(Id_Language_1) -> 3(Id_Language_2)
...
I have read it a lot about relationships many to many, but in my case I think it's better the first option (one record with all the languages), but I'm not very sure. Can someone say they think is best. Thanks.

I would add another column to your primary table
DEFINITIONS
-----------
Id
Definition
Language
WordId
and assign a word_id to each group to indicate they are all the same word.
1->casa->Spanish->10
2->house->English->10
3->maison->French->10

Bridge tables only really make sense with dynamic content, your content is static and can easily be defined in rows. Bridge tables require joins which slow down queries, so I guess one table is what makes the most sense if what you care about is querying speed.
But, what if some words are not defined for all languages. Than you waste a bunch of space on the database, which means it may make sense to use a bridge table.
I am suggesting one really long table with rows like english_word, english_Definition,french_word,french_definition etc...

I've already upvoted Brian's answer but I have enough to add that I think it's worth an additional answer:
Really, stay away from the first idea. Make lots of overhead to add a new language, and means that you need to either hardcode many different queries, or use dynamically-generated SQL, to make use of that table.
Your second idea, storing pairwise relationships, is better. At first it might seem harder to write queries against it, but once you get used to it, they will be more general and more straightforward. However, this design requires you to choose between one of two approaches, either of which has flaws:
Store every possible pair (English/French, English/Spanish, French/Spanish). This makes finding any arbitrary translation relatively simply, but requires more storage and allows for the possibility of inconsistencies if you look at more than two languages at a time. You also need to decide whether to store each pair in both directions; if not the queries become somewhat more complex.
Store just enough pairs to establish the equivalencies (e.g. store English/French and French/Spanish) then traverse them when necessary to find any given translation. Simplest way to do this is probably select one language that will always be the first one in each pair (e.g. store Spanish/English and Spanish/French pairs). But even then, you then need application logic that is aware of which language is the central one.
If you use the design that Brian suggests, any arbitrary translation from one language to another can be done with the same generic query, just plugging in the desired languages and word.

The second one is definitely better.
If you add a language, you don't need to change the structure
Queries for all language pairs are the same. Language ID is a query parameter. This means better query optimization and less code
Simpler update/delete/insert operations
Somewhat better support for synonyms
Brian's idea is also good, as long as your words have one meaning and one translation. If they have multiple, it needs to be extended.

Related

Giving user the ability to create variables and store them in db [duplicate]

I do not have much experience in table design. My goal is to create one or more product tables that meet the requirements below:
Support many kinds of products (TV, Phone, PC, ...). Each kind of product has a different set of parameters, like:
Phone will have Color, Size, Weight, OS...
PC will have CPU, HDD, RAM...
The set of parameters must be dynamic. You can add or edit any parameter you like.
How can I meet these requirements without a separate table for each kind of product?
You have at least these five options for modeling the type hierarchy you describe:
Single Table Inheritance: one table for all Product types, with enough columns to store all attributes of all types. This means a lot of columns, most of which are NULL on any given row.
Class Table Inheritance: one table for Products, storing attributes common to all product types. Then one table per product type, storing attributes specific to that product type.
Concrete Table Inheritance: no table for common Products attributes. Instead, one table per product type, storing both common product attributes, and product-specific attributes.
Serialized LOB: One table for Products, storing attributes common to all product types. One extra column stores a BLOB of semi-structured data, in XML, YAML, JSON, or some other format. This BLOB allows you to store the attributes specific to each product type. You can use fancy Design Patterns to describe this, such as Facade and Memento. But regardless you have a blob of attributes that can't be easily queried within SQL; you have to fetch the whole blob back to the application and sort it out there.
Entity-Attribute-Value: One table for Products, and one table that pivots attributes to rows, instead of columns. EAV is not a valid design with respect to the relational paradigm, but many people use it anyway. This is the "Properties Pattern" mentioned by another answer. See other questions with the eav tag on StackOverflow for some of the pitfalls.
I have written more about this in a presentation, Extensible Data Modeling.
Additional thoughts about EAV: Although many people seem to favor EAV, I don't. It seems like the most flexible solution, and therefore the best. However, keep in mind the adage TANSTAAFL. Here are some of the disadvantages of EAV:
No way to make a column mandatory (equivalent of NOT NULL).
No way to use SQL data types to validate entries.
No way to ensure that attribute names are spelled consistently.
No way to put a foreign key on the values of any given attribute, e.g. for a lookup table.
Fetching results in a conventional tabular layout is complex and expensive, because to get attributes from multiple rows you need to do JOIN for each attribute.
The degree of flexibility EAV gives you requires sacrifices in other areas, probably making your code as complex (or worse) than it would have been to solve the original problem in a more conventional way.
And in most cases, it's unnecessary to have that degree of flexibility. In the OP's question about product types, it's much simpler to create a table per product type for product-specific attributes, so you have some consistent structure enforced at least for entries of the same product type.
I'd use EAV only if every row must be permitted to potentially have a distinct set of attributes. When you have a finite set of product types, EAV is overkill. Class Table Inheritance would be my first choice.
Update 2019: The more I see people using JSON as a solution for the "many custom attributes" problem, the less I like that solution. It makes queries too complex, even when using special JSON functions to support them. It takes a lot more storage space to store JSON documents, versus storing in normal rows and columns.
Basically, none of these solutions are easy or efficient in a relational database. The whole idea of having "variable attributes" is fundamentally at odds with relational theory.
What it comes down to is that you have to choose one of the solutions based on which is the least bad for your app. Therefore you need to know how you're going to query the data before you choose a database design. There's no way to choose one solution that is "best" because any of the solutions might be best for a given application.
#StoneHeart
I would go here with EAV and MVC all the way.
#Bill Karvin
Here are some of the disadvantages of
EAV:
No way to make a column mandatory (equivalent of NOT NULL).
No way to use SQL data types to validate entries.
No way to ensure that attribute names are spelled consistently.
No way to put a foreign key on the values of any given attribute, e.g.
for a lookup table.
All those things that you have mentioned here:
data validation
attribute names spelling validation
mandatory columns/fields
handling the destruction of dependent attributes
in my opinion don't belong in a database at all because none of databases are capable of handling those interactions and requirements on a proper level as a programming language of an application does.
In my opinion using a database in this way is like using a rock to hammer a nail. You can do it with a rock but aren't you suppose to use a hammer which is more precise and specifically designed for this sort of activity ?
Fetching results in a conventional tabular layout is complex and
expensive, because to get attributes
from multiple rows you need to do JOIN
for each attribute.
This problem can be solved by making few queries on partial data and processing them into tabular layout with your application. Even if you have 600GB of product data you can process it in batches if you require data from every single row in this table.
Going further If you would like to improve the performance of the queries you can select certain operations like for e.g. reporting or global text search and prepare for them index tables which would store required data and would be regenerated periodically, lets say every 30 minutes.
You don't even need to be concerned with the cost of extra data storage because it gets cheaper and cheaper every day.
If you would still be concerned with performance of operations done by the application, you can always use Erlang, C++, Go Language to pre-process the data and later on just process the optimised data further in your main app.
If I use Class Table Inheritance meaning:
one table for Products, storing attributes common to all product types. Then one table per product type, storing attributes specific to that product type.
-Bill Karwin
Which I like the best of Bill Karwin's Suggestions.. I can kind of foresee one drawback, which I will try to explain how to keep from becoming a problem.
What contingency plan should I have in place when an attribute that is only common to 1 type, then becomes common to 2, then 3, etc?
For example: (this is just an example, not my real issue)
If we sell furniture, we might sell chairs, lamps, sofas, TVs, etc. The TV type might be the only type we carry that has a power consumption. So I would put the power_consumption attribute on the tv_type_table. But then we start to carry Home theater systems which also have a power_consumption property. OK its just one other product so I'll add this field to the stereo_type_table as well since that is probably easiest at this point. But over time as we start to carry more and more electronics, we realize that power_consumption is broad enough that it should be in the main_product_table. What should I do now?
Add the field to the main_product_table. Write a script to loop through the electronics and put the correct value from each type_table to the main_product_table. Then drop that column from each type_table.
Now If I was always using the same GetProductData class to interact with the database to pull the product info; then if any changes in code now need refactoring, they should be to that Class only.
You can have a Product table and a separate ProductAdditionInfo table with 3 columns: product ID, additional info name, additional info value. If color is used by many but not all kinds of Products you could have it be a nullable column in the Product table, or just put it in ProductAdditionalInfo.
This approach is not a traditional technique for a relational database, but I have seen it used a lot in practice. It can be flexible and have good performance.
Steve Yegge calls this the Properties pattern and wrote a long post about using it.

MySQL conditional table structure question [duplicate]

I do not have much experience in table design. My goal is to create one or more product tables that meet the requirements below:
Support many kinds of products (TV, Phone, PC, ...). Each kind of product has a different set of parameters, like:
Phone will have Color, Size, Weight, OS...
PC will have CPU, HDD, RAM...
The set of parameters must be dynamic. You can add or edit any parameter you like.
How can I meet these requirements without a separate table for each kind of product?
You have at least these five options for modeling the type hierarchy you describe:
Single Table Inheritance: one table for all Product types, with enough columns to store all attributes of all types. This means a lot of columns, most of which are NULL on any given row.
Class Table Inheritance: one table for Products, storing attributes common to all product types. Then one table per product type, storing attributes specific to that product type.
Concrete Table Inheritance: no table for common Products attributes. Instead, one table per product type, storing both common product attributes, and product-specific attributes.
Serialized LOB: One table for Products, storing attributes common to all product types. One extra column stores a BLOB of semi-structured data, in XML, YAML, JSON, or some other format. This BLOB allows you to store the attributes specific to each product type. You can use fancy Design Patterns to describe this, such as Facade and Memento. But regardless you have a blob of attributes that can't be easily queried within SQL; you have to fetch the whole blob back to the application and sort it out there.
Entity-Attribute-Value: One table for Products, and one table that pivots attributes to rows, instead of columns. EAV is not a valid design with respect to the relational paradigm, but many people use it anyway. This is the "Properties Pattern" mentioned by another answer. See other questions with the eav tag on StackOverflow for some of the pitfalls.
I have written more about this in a presentation, Extensible Data Modeling.
Additional thoughts about EAV: Although many people seem to favor EAV, I don't. It seems like the most flexible solution, and therefore the best. However, keep in mind the adage TANSTAAFL. Here are some of the disadvantages of EAV:
No way to make a column mandatory (equivalent of NOT NULL).
No way to use SQL data types to validate entries.
No way to ensure that attribute names are spelled consistently.
No way to put a foreign key on the values of any given attribute, e.g. for a lookup table.
Fetching results in a conventional tabular layout is complex and expensive, because to get attributes from multiple rows you need to do JOIN for each attribute.
The degree of flexibility EAV gives you requires sacrifices in other areas, probably making your code as complex (or worse) than it would have been to solve the original problem in a more conventional way.
And in most cases, it's unnecessary to have that degree of flexibility. In the OP's question about product types, it's much simpler to create a table per product type for product-specific attributes, so you have some consistent structure enforced at least for entries of the same product type.
I'd use EAV only if every row must be permitted to potentially have a distinct set of attributes. When you have a finite set of product types, EAV is overkill. Class Table Inheritance would be my first choice.
Update 2019: The more I see people using JSON as a solution for the "many custom attributes" problem, the less I like that solution. It makes queries too complex, even when using special JSON functions to support them. It takes a lot more storage space to store JSON documents, versus storing in normal rows and columns.
Basically, none of these solutions are easy or efficient in a relational database. The whole idea of having "variable attributes" is fundamentally at odds with relational theory.
What it comes down to is that you have to choose one of the solutions based on which is the least bad for your app. Therefore you need to know how you're going to query the data before you choose a database design. There's no way to choose one solution that is "best" because any of the solutions might be best for a given application.
#StoneHeart
I would go here with EAV and MVC all the way.
#Bill Karvin
Here are some of the disadvantages of
EAV:
No way to make a column mandatory (equivalent of NOT NULL).
No way to use SQL data types to validate entries.
No way to ensure that attribute names are spelled consistently.
No way to put a foreign key on the values of any given attribute, e.g.
for a lookup table.
All those things that you have mentioned here:
data validation
attribute names spelling validation
mandatory columns/fields
handling the destruction of dependent attributes
in my opinion don't belong in a database at all because none of databases are capable of handling those interactions and requirements on a proper level as a programming language of an application does.
In my opinion using a database in this way is like using a rock to hammer a nail. You can do it with a rock but aren't you suppose to use a hammer which is more precise and specifically designed for this sort of activity ?
Fetching results in a conventional tabular layout is complex and
expensive, because to get attributes
from multiple rows you need to do JOIN
for each attribute.
This problem can be solved by making few queries on partial data and processing them into tabular layout with your application. Even if you have 600GB of product data you can process it in batches if you require data from every single row in this table.
Going further If you would like to improve the performance of the queries you can select certain operations like for e.g. reporting or global text search and prepare for them index tables which would store required data and would be regenerated periodically, lets say every 30 minutes.
You don't even need to be concerned with the cost of extra data storage because it gets cheaper and cheaper every day.
If you would still be concerned with performance of operations done by the application, you can always use Erlang, C++, Go Language to pre-process the data and later on just process the optimised data further in your main app.
If I use Class Table Inheritance meaning:
one table for Products, storing attributes common to all product types. Then one table per product type, storing attributes specific to that product type.
-Bill Karwin
Which I like the best of Bill Karwin's Suggestions.. I can kind of foresee one drawback, which I will try to explain how to keep from becoming a problem.
What contingency plan should I have in place when an attribute that is only common to 1 type, then becomes common to 2, then 3, etc?
For example: (this is just an example, not my real issue)
If we sell furniture, we might sell chairs, lamps, sofas, TVs, etc. The TV type might be the only type we carry that has a power consumption. So I would put the power_consumption attribute on the tv_type_table. But then we start to carry Home theater systems which also have a power_consumption property. OK its just one other product so I'll add this field to the stereo_type_table as well since that is probably easiest at this point. But over time as we start to carry more and more electronics, we realize that power_consumption is broad enough that it should be in the main_product_table. What should I do now?
Add the field to the main_product_table. Write a script to loop through the electronics and put the correct value from each type_table to the main_product_table. Then drop that column from each type_table.
Now If I was always using the same GetProductData class to interact with the database to pull the product info; then if any changes in code now need refactoring, they should be to that Class only.
You can have a Product table and a separate ProductAdditionInfo table with 3 columns: product ID, additional info name, additional info value. If color is used by many but not all kinds of Products you could have it be a nullable column in the Product table, or just put it in ProductAdditionalInfo.
This approach is not a traditional technique for a relational database, but I have seen it used a lot in practice. It can be flexible and have good performance.
Steve Yegge calls this the Properties pattern and wrote a long post about using it.

RDBMS Entity with many predefined attributes [duplicate]

I do not have much experience in table design. My goal is to create one or more product tables that meet the requirements below:
Support many kinds of products (TV, Phone, PC, ...). Each kind of product has a different set of parameters, like:
Phone will have Color, Size, Weight, OS...
PC will have CPU, HDD, RAM...
The set of parameters must be dynamic. You can add or edit any parameter you like.
How can I meet these requirements without a separate table for each kind of product?
You have at least these five options for modeling the type hierarchy you describe:
Single Table Inheritance: one table for all Product types, with enough columns to store all attributes of all types. This means a lot of columns, most of which are NULL on any given row.
Class Table Inheritance: one table for Products, storing attributes common to all product types. Then one table per product type, storing attributes specific to that product type.
Concrete Table Inheritance: no table for common Products attributes. Instead, one table per product type, storing both common product attributes, and product-specific attributes.
Serialized LOB: One table for Products, storing attributes common to all product types. One extra column stores a BLOB of semi-structured data, in XML, YAML, JSON, or some other format. This BLOB allows you to store the attributes specific to each product type. You can use fancy Design Patterns to describe this, such as Facade and Memento. But regardless you have a blob of attributes that can't be easily queried within SQL; you have to fetch the whole blob back to the application and sort it out there.
Entity-Attribute-Value: One table for Products, and one table that pivots attributes to rows, instead of columns. EAV is not a valid design with respect to the relational paradigm, but many people use it anyway. This is the "Properties Pattern" mentioned by another answer. See other questions with the eav tag on StackOverflow for some of the pitfalls.
I have written more about this in a presentation, Extensible Data Modeling.
Additional thoughts about EAV: Although many people seem to favor EAV, I don't. It seems like the most flexible solution, and therefore the best. However, keep in mind the adage TANSTAAFL. Here are some of the disadvantages of EAV:
No way to make a column mandatory (equivalent of NOT NULL).
No way to use SQL data types to validate entries.
No way to ensure that attribute names are spelled consistently.
No way to put a foreign key on the values of any given attribute, e.g. for a lookup table.
Fetching results in a conventional tabular layout is complex and expensive, because to get attributes from multiple rows you need to do JOIN for each attribute.
The degree of flexibility EAV gives you requires sacrifices in other areas, probably making your code as complex (or worse) than it would have been to solve the original problem in a more conventional way.
And in most cases, it's unnecessary to have that degree of flexibility. In the OP's question about product types, it's much simpler to create a table per product type for product-specific attributes, so you have some consistent structure enforced at least for entries of the same product type.
I'd use EAV only if every row must be permitted to potentially have a distinct set of attributes. When you have a finite set of product types, EAV is overkill. Class Table Inheritance would be my first choice.
Update 2019: The more I see people using JSON as a solution for the "many custom attributes" problem, the less I like that solution. It makes queries too complex, even when using special JSON functions to support them. It takes a lot more storage space to store JSON documents, versus storing in normal rows and columns.
Basically, none of these solutions are easy or efficient in a relational database. The whole idea of having "variable attributes" is fundamentally at odds with relational theory.
What it comes down to is that you have to choose one of the solutions based on which is the least bad for your app. Therefore you need to know how you're going to query the data before you choose a database design. There's no way to choose one solution that is "best" because any of the solutions might be best for a given application.
#StoneHeart
I would go here with EAV and MVC all the way.
#Bill Karvin
Here are some of the disadvantages of
EAV:
No way to make a column mandatory (equivalent of NOT NULL).
No way to use SQL data types to validate entries.
No way to ensure that attribute names are spelled consistently.
No way to put a foreign key on the values of any given attribute, e.g.
for a lookup table.
All those things that you have mentioned here:
data validation
attribute names spelling validation
mandatory columns/fields
handling the destruction of dependent attributes
in my opinion don't belong in a database at all because none of databases are capable of handling those interactions and requirements on a proper level as a programming language of an application does.
In my opinion using a database in this way is like using a rock to hammer a nail. You can do it with a rock but aren't you suppose to use a hammer which is more precise and specifically designed for this sort of activity ?
Fetching results in a conventional tabular layout is complex and
expensive, because to get attributes
from multiple rows you need to do JOIN
for each attribute.
This problem can be solved by making few queries on partial data and processing them into tabular layout with your application. Even if you have 600GB of product data you can process it in batches if you require data from every single row in this table.
Going further If you would like to improve the performance of the queries you can select certain operations like for e.g. reporting or global text search and prepare for them index tables which would store required data and would be regenerated periodically, lets say every 30 minutes.
You don't even need to be concerned with the cost of extra data storage because it gets cheaper and cheaper every day.
If you would still be concerned with performance of operations done by the application, you can always use Erlang, C++, Go Language to pre-process the data and later on just process the optimised data further in your main app.
If I use Class Table Inheritance meaning:
one table for Products, storing attributes common to all product types. Then one table per product type, storing attributes specific to that product type.
-Bill Karwin
Which I like the best of Bill Karwin's Suggestions.. I can kind of foresee one drawback, which I will try to explain how to keep from becoming a problem.
What contingency plan should I have in place when an attribute that is only common to 1 type, then becomes common to 2, then 3, etc?
For example: (this is just an example, not my real issue)
If we sell furniture, we might sell chairs, lamps, sofas, TVs, etc. The TV type might be the only type we carry that has a power consumption. So I would put the power_consumption attribute on the tv_type_table. But then we start to carry Home theater systems which also have a power_consumption property. OK its just one other product so I'll add this field to the stereo_type_table as well since that is probably easiest at this point. But over time as we start to carry more and more electronics, we realize that power_consumption is broad enough that it should be in the main_product_table. What should I do now?
Add the field to the main_product_table. Write a script to loop through the electronics and put the correct value from each type_table to the main_product_table. Then drop that column from each type_table.
Now If I was always using the same GetProductData class to interact with the database to pull the product info; then if any changes in code now need refactoring, they should be to that Class only.
You can have a Product table and a separate ProductAdditionInfo table with 3 columns: product ID, additional info name, additional info value. If color is used by many but not all kinds of Products you could have it be a nullable column in the Product table, or just put it in ProductAdditionalInfo.
This approach is not a traditional technique for a relational database, but I have seen it used a lot in practice. It can be flexible and have good performance.
Steve Yegge calls this the Properties pattern and wrote a long post about using it.

Storing values with dynamic columns for a table [duplicate]

I do not have much experience in table design. My goal is to create one or more product tables that meet the requirements below:
Support many kinds of products (TV, Phone, PC, ...). Each kind of product has a different set of parameters, like:
Phone will have Color, Size, Weight, OS...
PC will have CPU, HDD, RAM...
The set of parameters must be dynamic. You can add or edit any parameter you like.
How can I meet these requirements without a separate table for each kind of product?
You have at least these five options for modeling the type hierarchy you describe:
Single Table Inheritance: one table for all Product types, with enough columns to store all attributes of all types. This means a lot of columns, most of which are NULL on any given row.
Class Table Inheritance: one table for Products, storing attributes common to all product types. Then one table per product type, storing attributes specific to that product type.
Concrete Table Inheritance: no table for common Products attributes. Instead, one table per product type, storing both common product attributes, and product-specific attributes.
Serialized LOB: One table for Products, storing attributes common to all product types. One extra column stores a BLOB of semi-structured data, in XML, YAML, JSON, or some other format. This BLOB allows you to store the attributes specific to each product type. You can use fancy Design Patterns to describe this, such as Facade and Memento. But regardless you have a blob of attributes that can't be easily queried within SQL; you have to fetch the whole blob back to the application and sort it out there.
Entity-Attribute-Value: One table for Products, and one table that pivots attributes to rows, instead of columns. EAV is not a valid design with respect to the relational paradigm, but many people use it anyway. This is the "Properties Pattern" mentioned by another answer. See other questions with the eav tag on StackOverflow for some of the pitfalls.
I have written more about this in a presentation, Extensible Data Modeling.
Additional thoughts about EAV: Although many people seem to favor EAV, I don't. It seems like the most flexible solution, and therefore the best. However, keep in mind the adage TANSTAAFL. Here are some of the disadvantages of EAV:
No way to make a column mandatory (equivalent of NOT NULL).
No way to use SQL data types to validate entries.
No way to ensure that attribute names are spelled consistently.
No way to put a foreign key on the values of any given attribute, e.g. for a lookup table.
Fetching results in a conventional tabular layout is complex and expensive, because to get attributes from multiple rows you need to do JOIN for each attribute.
The degree of flexibility EAV gives you requires sacrifices in other areas, probably making your code as complex (or worse) than it would have been to solve the original problem in a more conventional way.
And in most cases, it's unnecessary to have that degree of flexibility. In the OP's question about product types, it's much simpler to create a table per product type for product-specific attributes, so you have some consistent structure enforced at least for entries of the same product type.
I'd use EAV only if every row must be permitted to potentially have a distinct set of attributes. When you have a finite set of product types, EAV is overkill. Class Table Inheritance would be my first choice.
Update 2019: The more I see people using JSON as a solution for the "many custom attributes" problem, the less I like that solution. It makes queries too complex, even when using special JSON functions to support them. It takes a lot more storage space to store JSON documents, versus storing in normal rows and columns.
Basically, none of these solutions are easy or efficient in a relational database. The whole idea of having "variable attributes" is fundamentally at odds with relational theory.
What it comes down to is that you have to choose one of the solutions based on which is the least bad for your app. Therefore you need to know how you're going to query the data before you choose a database design. There's no way to choose one solution that is "best" because any of the solutions might be best for a given application.
#StoneHeart
I would go here with EAV and MVC all the way.
#Bill Karvin
Here are some of the disadvantages of
EAV:
No way to make a column mandatory (equivalent of NOT NULL).
No way to use SQL data types to validate entries.
No way to ensure that attribute names are spelled consistently.
No way to put a foreign key on the values of any given attribute, e.g.
for a lookup table.
All those things that you have mentioned here:
data validation
attribute names spelling validation
mandatory columns/fields
handling the destruction of dependent attributes
in my opinion don't belong in a database at all because none of databases are capable of handling those interactions and requirements on a proper level as a programming language of an application does.
In my opinion using a database in this way is like using a rock to hammer a nail. You can do it with a rock but aren't you suppose to use a hammer which is more precise and specifically designed for this sort of activity ?
Fetching results in a conventional tabular layout is complex and
expensive, because to get attributes
from multiple rows you need to do JOIN
for each attribute.
This problem can be solved by making few queries on partial data and processing them into tabular layout with your application. Even if you have 600GB of product data you can process it in batches if you require data from every single row in this table.
Going further If you would like to improve the performance of the queries you can select certain operations like for e.g. reporting or global text search and prepare for them index tables which would store required data and would be regenerated periodically, lets say every 30 minutes.
You don't even need to be concerned with the cost of extra data storage because it gets cheaper and cheaper every day.
If you would still be concerned with performance of operations done by the application, you can always use Erlang, C++, Go Language to pre-process the data and later on just process the optimised data further in your main app.
If I use Class Table Inheritance meaning:
one table for Products, storing attributes common to all product types. Then one table per product type, storing attributes specific to that product type.
-Bill Karwin
Which I like the best of Bill Karwin's Suggestions.. I can kind of foresee one drawback, which I will try to explain how to keep from becoming a problem.
What contingency plan should I have in place when an attribute that is only common to 1 type, then becomes common to 2, then 3, etc?
For example: (this is just an example, not my real issue)
If we sell furniture, we might sell chairs, lamps, sofas, TVs, etc. The TV type might be the only type we carry that has a power consumption. So I would put the power_consumption attribute on the tv_type_table. But then we start to carry Home theater systems which also have a power_consumption property. OK its just one other product so I'll add this field to the stereo_type_table as well since that is probably easiest at this point. But over time as we start to carry more and more electronics, we realize that power_consumption is broad enough that it should be in the main_product_table. What should I do now?
Add the field to the main_product_table. Write a script to loop through the electronics and put the correct value from each type_table to the main_product_table. Then drop that column from each type_table.
Now If I was always using the same GetProductData class to interact with the database to pull the product info; then if any changes in code now need refactoring, they should be to that Class only.
You can have a Product table and a separate ProductAdditionInfo table with 3 columns: product ID, additional info name, additional info value. If color is used by many but not all kinds of Products you could have it be a nullable column in the Product table, or just put it in ProductAdditionalInfo.
This approach is not a traditional technique for a relational database, but I have seen it used a lot in practice. It can be flexible and have good performance.
Steve Yegge calls this the Properties pattern and wrote a long post about using it.

Design database schema with merge fields that hold different types of values [duplicate]

I do not have much experience in table design. My goal is to create one or more product tables that meet the requirements below:
Support many kinds of products (TV, Phone, PC, ...). Each kind of product has a different set of parameters, like:
Phone will have Color, Size, Weight, OS...
PC will have CPU, HDD, RAM...
The set of parameters must be dynamic. You can add or edit any parameter you like.
How can I meet these requirements without a separate table for each kind of product?
You have at least these five options for modeling the type hierarchy you describe:
Single Table Inheritance: one table for all Product types, with enough columns to store all attributes of all types. This means a lot of columns, most of which are NULL on any given row.
Class Table Inheritance: one table for Products, storing attributes common to all product types. Then one table per product type, storing attributes specific to that product type.
Concrete Table Inheritance: no table for common Products attributes. Instead, one table per product type, storing both common product attributes, and product-specific attributes.
Serialized LOB: One table for Products, storing attributes common to all product types. One extra column stores a BLOB of semi-structured data, in XML, YAML, JSON, or some other format. This BLOB allows you to store the attributes specific to each product type. You can use fancy Design Patterns to describe this, such as Facade and Memento. But regardless you have a blob of attributes that can't be easily queried within SQL; you have to fetch the whole blob back to the application and sort it out there.
Entity-Attribute-Value: One table for Products, and one table that pivots attributes to rows, instead of columns. EAV is not a valid design with respect to the relational paradigm, but many people use it anyway. This is the "Properties Pattern" mentioned by another answer. See other questions with the eav tag on StackOverflow for some of the pitfalls.
I have written more about this in a presentation, Extensible Data Modeling.
Additional thoughts about EAV: Although many people seem to favor EAV, I don't. It seems like the most flexible solution, and therefore the best. However, keep in mind the adage TANSTAAFL. Here are some of the disadvantages of EAV:
No way to make a column mandatory (equivalent of NOT NULL).
No way to use SQL data types to validate entries.
No way to ensure that attribute names are spelled consistently.
No way to put a foreign key on the values of any given attribute, e.g. for a lookup table.
Fetching results in a conventional tabular layout is complex and expensive, because to get attributes from multiple rows you need to do JOIN for each attribute.
The degree of flexibility EAV gives you requires sacrifices in other areas, probably making your code as complex (or worse) than it would have been to solve the original problem in a more conventional way.
And in most cases, it's unnecessary to have that degree of flexibility. In the OP's question about product types, it's much simpler to create a table per product type for product-specific attributes, so you have some consistent structure enforced at least for entries of the same product type.
I'd use EAV only if every row must be permitted to potentially have a distinct set of attributes. When you have a finite set of product types, EAV is overkill. Class Table Inheritance would be my first choice.
Update 2019: The more I see people using JSON as a solution for the "many custom attributes" problem, the less I like that solution. It makes queries too complex, even when using special JSON functions to support them. It takes a lot more storage space to store JSON documents, versus storing in normal rows and columns.
Basically, none of these solutions are easy or efficient in a relational database. The whole idea of having "variable attributes" is fundamentally at odds with relational theory.
What it comes down to is that you have to choose one of the solutions based on which is the least bad for your app. Therefore you need to know how you're going to query the data before you choose a database design. There's no way to choose one solution that is "best" because any of the solutions might be best for a given application.
#StoneHeart
I would go here with EAV and MVC all the way.
#Bill Karvin
Here are some of the disadvantages of
EAV:
No way to make a column mandatory (equivalent of NOT NULL).
No way to use SQL data types to validate entries.
No way to ensure that attribute names are spelled consistently.
No way to put a foreign key on the values of any given attribute, e.g.
for a lookup table.
All those things that you have mentioned here:
data validation
attribute names spelling validation
mandatory columns/fields
handling the destruction of dependent attributes
in my opinion don't belong in a database at all because none of databases are capable of handling those interactions and requirements on a proper level as a programming language of an application does.
In my opinion using a database in this way is like using a rock to hammer a nail. You can do it with a rock but aren't you suppose to use a hammer which is more precise and specifically designed for this sort of activity ?
Fetching results in a conventional tabular layout is complex and
expensive, because to get attributes
from multiple rows you need to do JOIN
for each attribute.
This problem can be solved by making few queries on partial data and processing them into tabular layout with your application. Even if you have 600GB of product data you can process it in batches if you require data from every single row in this table.
Going further If you would like to improve the performance of the queries you can select certain operations like for e.g. reporting or global text search and prepare for them index tables which would store required data and would be regenerated periodically, lets say every 30 minutes.
You don't even need to be concerned with the cost of extra data storage because it gets cheaper and cheaper every day.
If you would still be concerned with performance of operations done by the application, you can always use Erlang, C++, Go Language to pre-process the data and later on just process the optimised data further in your main app.
If I use Class Table Inheritance meaning:
one table for Products, storing attributes common to all product types. Then one table per product type, storing attributes specific to that product type.
-Bill Karwin
Which I like the best of Bill Karwin's Suggestions.. I can kind of foresee one drawback, which I will try to explain how to keep from becoming a problem.
What contingency plan should I have in place when an attribute that is only common to 1 type, then becomes common to 2, then 3, etc?
For example: (this is just an example, not my real issue)
If we sell furniture, we might sell chairs, lamps, sofas, TVs, etc. The TV type might be the only type we carry that has a power consumption. So I would put the power_consumption attribute on the tv_type_table. But then we start to carry Home theater systems which also have a power_consumption property. OK its just one other product so I'll add this field to the stereo_type_table as well since that is probably easiest at this point. But over time as we start to carry more and more electronics, we realize that power_consumption is broad enough that it should be in the main_product_table. What should I do now?
Add the field to the main_product_table. Write a script to loop through the electronics and put the correct value from each type_table to the main_product_table. Then drop that column from each type_table.
Now If I was always using the same GetProductData class to interact with the database to pull the product info; then if any changes in code now need refactoring, they should be to that Class only.
You can have a Product table and a separate ProductAdditionInfo table with 3 columns: product ID, additional info name, additional info value. If color is used by many but not all kinds of Products you could have it be a nullable column in the Product table, or just put it in ProductAdditionalInfo.
This approach is not a traditional technique for a relational database, but I have seen it used a lot in practice. It can be flexible and have good performance.
Steve Yegge calls this the Properties pattern and wrote a long post about using it.