I was testing CUDA occupancy device, on purpose I tried one block having one thread. the spreadsheet gave me
Active Threads per Multiprocessor:32
Active Warps per Multiprocessor:1
I understand why the number of warps is 1 but was expecting 1 as the number of active threads per SM. does this mean, a warp will be generated where 31 results won't be uncommitted. I doubt it is the case but want to confirm this.
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The basic unit of scheduling in today's GPUs is the warp, not the thread. Therefore it does not matter whether you specify only one thread, or all 32, the warp is consumed for scheduling purposes in the same way.
In this case, I would say "Active Threads" is referring to all threads that are associated with Active Warps. Some of those threads may be doing nothing depending on your block configuration and/or actual thread code, but nevertheless those threads are involved in the scheduled warps.
Yes, if you want to run even just one thread, it requires an entire warp.
This is one reason why grid configurations that have a 1 in either position:
my_kernel<<<N, 1>>>();
or
my_kernel<<<1,N>>>();
are going to be inefficient in their use of GPU resources.
I created a simple test program where i declared 32 words long array. the kernel code is simple d_a[tid]=2*[d_tid];I launched the kernel with on thread only. In displaying the result, i got d_a[0] only scaled correctly...the access to the other elements of my array displayed an error. which tells me that one warp was scheduled indeed but it had ONLY one thread active and not 32 hence my question and my confusion
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I understand how warps and blocks are scheduled in CUDA - but not how these two scheduling arrangements come together. I know that once there is enough execution resources in an SM to support a new block, a new block is executed and I know that eligible warps are selected to be executed every clock cycle (if the spare execution resources allow). However, what exactly makes a warp "eligible"? And what if there are enough execution resources to support a new warp - but not a new block? Does the block scheduling include warp scheduling? Help will be highly appreciated, thanks!
Does the block scheduling include warp scheduling?
The block scheduler and the warp scheduler should be thought of as 2 separate entities. In fact I would view the block-scheduler as a device-wide entity whereas the warp scheduler is a per-SM entity.
You can imagine that there may be a "queue" of blocks associated with each kernel launch. As resources on a SM become available, the block scheduler will deposit a block from the "queue" onto that SM.
With that description, block scheduling does not include warp scheduling.
However, what exactly makes a warp "eligible"?
We're now considering a block that is already deposited on a SM. A warp is "eligible" when it has one or more instructions that are ready to be executed. The opposite of "eligible" is "stalled". A warp is "stalled" when it has no instructions that are ready to be executed. The GPU profiler documentation describes a variety of possible "stall reasons"(*), but a typical one would be a dependency: An instruction that depends on the results of a previous instruction (or operation, such as a memory read) is not eligible to be issued until the results from the previous instruction/operation are ready. Also note that the GPU currently is not an out-of-order machine. If the next instructions to be executed are currently stalled, the GPU does not search (very far) into the subsequent instruction stream for possible independently executable instructions.
And what if there are enough execution resources to support a new warp - but not a new block?
That doesn't provide anything useful. In order to schedule a new block (i.e. for the block scheduler to deposit a new block on a SM) there must be enough resources available for the entire block. (The block scheduler does not deposit blocks warp-by-warp. It is an all-or-nothing proposition, on a block-by-block basis.)
(*) There is one "stall reason" called "not selected", which does not actually indicate the warp is stalled. It means that the warp is in fact eligible, but it was not selected for instruction dispatch on that cycle, usually because the warp scheduler(s) chose instruction(s) from other warp(s), to issue in that cycle.
I read that the number of threads in a warp can be 32 or more. why is that? if the number is less than 32 threads, does that mean the resources goes underutilized or we will not be able to tolerate memory latency?
Your question needs clarification - perhaps you are confusing the CUDA "warp" and "block" concepts?
Regarding warps, it's important to remember that warp and their size is a property of the hardware. Warps are a grouping of hardware threads that execute the same instruction (these days) every cycle. In other words, the size width indicates the SIMD-style execution width, something that the programmer can not change. In CUDA you launch blocks of threads which, when mapped to the hardware, get executed in warp-sized bunches. If you start blocks with thread count that is not divisible by the warp size, the hardware will simply execute the last warp with some of the threads "masked out" (i.e. they do have to execute, but without any effect on the state of the GPU/memory).
For more details I recommend reading carefully the hardware and execution-related sections of the CUDA programming guide.
The title can't hold the whole question: I have a kernel doing a stream compaction, after which it continues using less number of threads.
I know one way to avoid execution of unused threads: returning and executing a second kernel with smaller block size.
What I'm asking is, provided unused threads diverge and end (return), and provided they align in complete warps, can I safely assume they won't waste execution?
Is there a common practice for this, other than splitting in two consecutive kernel execution?
Thank you very much!
The unit of execution scheduling and resource scheduling within the SM is the warp - groups of 32 threads.
It is perfectly legal to retire threads in any order using return within your kernel code. However there are at least 2 considerations:
The usage of __syncthreads() in device code depends on having every thread in the block participating. So if a thread hits a return statement, that thread could not possibly participate in a future __syncthreads() statement, and so usage of __syncthreads() after one or more threads have retired is illegal.
From an execution efficiency standpoint (and also from a resource scheduling standpoint, although this latter concept is not well documented and somewhat involved to prove), a warp will still consume execution (and other) resources, until all threads in the warp have retired.
If you can retire your threads in warp units, and don't require the usage of __syncthreads() you should be able to make fairly efficient usage of the GPU resources even in a threadblock that retires some warps.
For completeness, a threadblock's dimensions are defined at kernel launch time, and they cannot and do not change at any point thereafter. All threadblocks have threads that eventually retire. The concept of retiring threads does not change a threadblock's dimensions, in my usage here (and consistent with usage of __syncthreads()).
Although probably not related to your question directly, CUDA Dynamic Parallelism could be another methodology to allow a threadblock to "manage" dynamically varying execution resources. However for a given threadblock itself, all of the above comments apply in the CDP case as well.
Ok I know that related questions have been asked over and over again and I read pretty much everything I found about this, but things are still unclear. Probably also because I found and read things contradicting each other (maybe because, being from different times, they referred to devices with different compute capability, between which there seems to be quite a gap). I am looking to be more efficient, to reduce my execution time and thus I need to know exactly how many threads/warps/blocks can run at once in parallel. Also I was thinking of generalizing this and calculating an optimal number of threads and blocks to pass to my kernel based only on the number of operations I know I have to do (for simpler programs) and the system specs.
I have a GTX 550Ti, btw with compute capability 2.1.
4 SMs x 48 cores = 192 CUDA cores.
Ok so what's unclear to me is:
Can more than 1 block run AT ONCE (in parallel) on a multiprocessor (SM)? I read that up to 8 blocks can be assigned to a SM, but nothing as to how they're ran. From the fact that my max number of threads per SM (1536) is barely larger than my max number of threads per block (1024) I would think that blocks aren't ran in parallel (maybe 1 and a half?). Or at least not if I have a max number of threads on them. Also if I set the number of blocks to, let's say 4 (my number of SMs), will they be sent to a different SM each?
Or I can't really control how all this is distributed on the hardware and then this is a moot point, my execution time will vary based on the whims of my device ...
Secondly, I know that a block will divide it's threads into groups of 32 threads that run in parallel, called warps. Now these warps (presuming they have no relation to each other) can be ran in parallel aswell? Because in the Fermi architecture it states that 2 warps are executed concurrently, sending one instruction from each warp to a group of 16 (?) cores, while somewhere else i read that each core handles a warp, which would explain the 1536 max threads (32*48) but seems a bit much. Can 1 CUDA core handle 32 threads concurrently?
On a simpler note, what I'm asking is: (for ex) if I want to sum 2 vectors in a third one, what length should I give them (nr of operations) and how should I split them in blocks and threads for my device to work concurrently (in parallel) at full capacity (without having idle cores or SMs).
I'm sorry if this was asked before and I didn't get it or didn't see it. Hope you can help me. Thank you!
The distribution and parallel execution of work are determined by the launch configuration and the device. The launch configuration states the grid dimensions, block dimensions, registers per thread, and shared memory per block. Based upon this information and the device you can determine the number of blocks and warps that can execute on the device concurrently. When developing a kernel you usually look at the ratio of warps that can be active on the SM to the maximum number of warps per SM for the device. This is called the theoretical occupancy. The CUDA Occupancy Calculator can be used to investigate different launch configurations.
When a grid is launched the compute work distributor will rasterize the grid and distribute thread blocks to SMs and SM resources will be allocated for the thread block. Multiple thread blocks can execute simultaneously on the SM if the SM has sufficient resources.
In order to launch a warp, the SM assigns the warp to a warp scheduler and allocates registers for the warp. At this point the warp is considered an active warp.
Each warp scheduler manages a set of warps (24 on Fermi, 16 on Kepler). Warps that are not stalled are called eligible warps. On each cycle the warp scheduler picks an eligible warp and issue instruction(s) for the warp to execution units such as int/fp units, double precision floating point units, special function units, branch resolution units, and load store units. The execution units are pipelined allowing many warps to have 1 or more instructions in flight each cycle. Warps can be stalled on instruction fetch, data dependencies, execution dependencies, barriers, etc.
Each kernel has a different optimal launch configuration. Tools such as Nsight Visual Studio Edition and the NVIDIA Visual Profiler can help you tune your launch configuration. I recommend that you try to write your code in a flexible manner so you can try multiple launch configurations. I would start by using a configuration that gives you at least 50% occupancy then try increasing and decreasing the occupancy.
Answers to each Question
Q: Can more than 1 block run AT ONCE (in parallel) on a multiprocessor (SM)?
Yes, the maximum number is based upon the compute capability of the device. See Tabe 10. Technical Specifications per Compute Capability : Maximum number of residents blocks per multiprocessor to determine the value. In general the launch configuration limits the run time value. See the occupancy calculator or one of the NVIDIA analysis tools for more details.
Q:From the fact that my max number of threads per SM (1536) is barely larger than my max number of threads per block (1024) I would think that blocks aren't ran in parallel (maybe 1 and a half?).
The launch configuration determines the number of blocks per SM. The ratio of maximum threads per block to maximum threads per SM is set to allow developer more flexibility in how they partition work.
Q: If I set the number of blocks to, let's say 4 (my number of SMs), will they be sent to a different SM each? Or I can't really control how all this is distributed on the hardware and then this is a moot point, my execution time will vary based on the whims of my device ...
You have limited control of work distribution. You can artificially control this by limiting occupancy by allocating more shared memory but this is an advanced optimization.
Q: Secondly, I know that a block will divide it's threads into groups of 32 threads that run in parallel, called warps. Now these warps (presuming they have no relation to each other) can be ran in parallel as well?
Yes, warps can run in parallel.
Q: Because in the Fermi architecture it states that 2 warps are executed concurrently
Each Fermi SM has 2 warps schedulers. Each warp scheduler can dispatch instruction(s) for 1 warp each cycle. Instruction execution is pipelined so many warps can have 1 or more instructions in flight every cycle.
Q: Sending one instruction from each warp to a group of 16 (?) cores, while somewhere else i read that each core handles a warp, which would explain the 1536 max threads (32x48) but seems a bit much. Can 1 CUDA core handle 32 threads concurrently?
Yes. CUDA cores is the number of integer and floating point execution units. The SM has other types of execution units which I listed above. The GTX550 is a CC 2.1 device. On each cycle a SM has the potential to dispatch at most 4 instructions (128 threads) per cycle. Depending on the definition of execution the total threads in flight per cycle can range from many hundreds to many thousands.
I am looking to be more efficient, to reduce my execution time and thus I need to know exactly how many threads/warps/blocks can run at once in parallel.
In short, the number of threads/warps/blocks that can run concurrently depends on several factors. The CUDA C Best Practices Guide has a writeup on Execution Configuration Optimizations that explains these factors and provides some tips for reasoning about how to shape your application.
One of the concepts that took a whle to sink in, for me, is the efficiency of the hardware support for context-switching on the CUDA chip.
Consequently, a context-switch occurs on every memory access, allowing calculations to proceed for many contexts alternately while the others wait on theri memory accesses. ne of the ways that GPGPU architectures achieve performance is the ability to parallelize this way, in addition to parallelizing on the multiples cores.
Best performance is achieved when no core is ever waiting on a memory access, and is achieved by having just enough contexts to ensure this happens.
i am having some troubles understanding threads in NVIDIA gpu architecture with cuda.
please could anybody clarify these info:
an 8800 gpu has 16 SMs with 8 SPs each. so we have 128 SPs.
i was viewing Stanford University's video presentation and it was saying that every SP is capable of running 96 threads concurrently. does this mean that it (SP) can run 96/32=3 warps concurrently?
moreover, since every SP can run 96 threads and we have 8 SPs in every SM. does this mean that every SM can run 96*8=768 threads concurrently?? but if every SM can run a single Block at a time, and the maximum number of threads in a block is 512, so what is the purpose of running 768 threads concurrently and have a max of 512 threads?
a more general question is:how are blocks,threads,and warps distributed to SMs and SPs? i read that every SM gets a single block to execute at a time and threads in a block is divided into warps (32 threads), and SPs execute warps.
You should check out the webinars on the NVIDIA website, you can join a live session or view the pre-recorded sessions. Below is a quick overview, but I strongly recommend you watch the webinars, they will really help as you can see the diagrams and have it explained at the same time.
When you execute a function (a kernel) on a GPU it is executes as a grid of blocks of threads.
A thread is the finest granularity, each thread has a unique identifier within the block (threadIdx) which is used to select which data to operate on. The thread can have a relatively large number of registers and also has a private area of memory known as local memory which is used for register file spilling and any large automatic variables.
A block is a group of threads which execute together in a batch. The main reason for this level of granularity is that threads within a block can cooperate by communicating using the fast shared memory. Each block has a unique identifier (blockIdx) which, in conjunction with the threadIdx, is used to select data.
A grid is a set of blocks which together execute the GPU operation.
That's the logical hierarchy. You really only need to understand the logical hierarchy to implement a function on the GPU, however to get performance you need to understand the hardware too which is SMs and SPs.
A GPU is composed of SMs, and each SM contains a number of SPs. Currently there are 8 SPs per SM and between 1 and 30 SMs per GPU, but really the actual number is not a major concern until you're getting really advanced.
The first point to consider for performance is that of warps. A warp is a set of 32 threads (if you have 128 threads in a block (for example) then threads 0-31 will be in one warp, 32-63 in the next and so on. Warps are very important for a few reasons, the most important being:
Threads within a warp are bound together, if one thread within a warp goes down the 'if' side of a if-else block and the others go down the 'else', then actually all 32 threads will go down both sides. Functionally there is no problem, those threads which should not have taken the branch are disabled so you will always get the correct result, but if both sides are long then the performance penalty is important.
Threads within a warp (actually a half-warp, but if you get it right for warps then you're safe on the next generation too) fetch data from the memory together, so if you can ensure that all threads fetch data within the same 'segment' then you will only pay one memory transaction and if they all fetch from random addresses then you will pay 32 memory transactions. See the Advanced CUDA C presentation for details on this, but only when you are ready!
Threads within a warp (again half-warp on current GPUs) access shared memory together and if you're not careful you will have 'bank conflicts' where the threads have to queue up behind each other to access the memories.
So having understood what a warp is, the final point is how the blocks and grid are mapped onto the GPU.
Each block will start on one SM and will remain there until it has completed. As soon as it has completed it will retire and another block can be launched on the SM. It's this dynamic scheduling that gives the GPUs the scalability - if you have one SM then all blocks run on the same SM on one big queue, if you have 30 SMs then the blocks will be scheduled across the SMs dynamically. So you should ensure that when you launch a GPU function your grid is composed of a large number of blocks (at least hundreds) to ensure it scales across any GPU.
The final point to make is that an SM can execute more than one block at any given time. This explains why a SM can handle 768 threads (or more in some GPUs) while a block is only up to 512 threads (currently). Essentially, if the SM has the resources available (registers and shared memory) then it will take on additional blocks (up to 8). The Occupancy Calculator spreadsheet (included with the SDK) will help you determine how many blocks can execute at any moment.
Sorry for the brain dump, watch the webinars - it'll be easier!
It's a little confusing at first, but it helps to know that each SP does something like 4 way SMT - it cycles through 4 threads, issuing one instruction per clock, with a 4 cycle latency on each instruction. So that's how you get 32 threads per warp running on 8 SPs.
Rather than go through all the rest of the stuff with warps, blocks, threads, etc, I'll refer you to the nVidia CUDA Forums, where this kind of question crops up regularly and there are already some good explanations.