I have a database program that was written a few years back using MYISAM tables in a MYSQL database. It is a pretty simple structure but I wasn't the one who set it up.
All the current releases of MYSQL are all set for INNODB and I just wondered how hard it would be to convert the current application from MYISAM to INNODB or is this something better handled by starting all over.
Considering I am not a database expert :) Whatever way is the easiest.
I have found most if not all the declaratives in the modules that state for the program to use MyIsam and it sure would be nice if I could just change the necessary parts to restate that as INNODB and get it to work
Is there a physical obstruction to using innodb that would prevent the change fro MYISAM?
As I said these are very small databases maybe 25 fields in 100 records total maximum.
Thanks for any insight
There are several differences between MyISAM and InnoDB, nicely described in this discussion:
https://dba.stackexchange.com/questions/1/what-are-the-main-differences-between-innodb-and-myisam
The only aspect which could prevent the use of InnoDB would be the full text search capabilities of MyISAM, which were introduced in InnoDB with version 5.6 of MySQL. So if your program does not make use of full text search, or if your MySQL version supports full text search with InnoDB, there is no real obstruction.
Given the small size of the database, and assuming a small traffic as well, I would not expect any substantial difference in terms of performances.
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I have a database with 48 tables and 45 of the tables are InnoDB.
I have 3 MyISAM tables which range in size from 200 records to 1.5Mil and also a 6.5Mil entries.
These 3 tables contain GEO Location information and are read only (never write - unless i was to update one - extremely infrequently).
I considered changing them to InnoDB to make the database 100% the same but then read the MYiSAM is faster. Note: I don't need any of the special INNODB functions - its just selects/joins... thats it.
Should I keep these MyISAM or change them to InnoDB?
thx
MyISAM used to be faster years ago, but if you use any reasonably current version of InnoDB, then InnoDB is faster for most workloads. Here's a performance comparison from way back in 2007 that shows InnoDB already matched or bettered MyISAM in all but a few types of queries.
http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2007/01/08/innodb-vs-myisam-vs-falcon-benchmarks-part-1/
Since that test in 2007, InnoDB has continued to get better, whereas the MySQL developers have spent virtually no time improving MyISAM. It's dead, Jim.
The only cases where MyISAM may be faster is when doing full table-scans, and you should try to define indexes to avoid table-scans anyway.
InnoDB has been the default storage engine in MySQL since 5.5 (circa 2010). With each major version of MySQL, it becomes more clear that MyISAM is going away.
InnoDB has many benefits even if you don't use the explicit features like transactions or foreign keys. Try this:
Execute a long-running UPDATE against a MyISAM table.
Interrupt it partway through. How many rows have been changed? Some, but not all.
Repeat the same test with an InnoDB table. How many rows have been changed? Zero!
InnoDB supports atomic changes, so every SQL statement either succeeds completely, or else rolls back. You won't get partially-completed changes.
InnoDB also support crash recovery, so you won't lose data if mysqld ever crashes. MyISAM is renowned for corrupting tables during a crash.
InnoDB also caches data in RAM (the InnoDB buffer pool), whereas MyISAM relies on the filesystem cache to speed up data I/O. This makes some queries a lot faster in InnoDB if you have enough RAM.
Use MyISAM only if you don't care about your data.
No need to change In INNODB. As you say thay have lot of records SO thay are faster as MYISAM
MyISAM in most cases will be faster than InnoDB for run of the mill sort of work. Selecting, updating and inserting are all very speedy under normal circumstances.
I wouldn't bother changing it. I was just researching the same thing and came across this useful post: http://www.kavoir.com/2009/09/mysql-engines-innodb-vs-myisam-a-comparison-of-pros-and-cons.html
The main reason you'd want Innodb would be for data integrity and to avoid locking the entire table on inserts. But if you're not doing a lot of inserts and these are not high traffic tables, then why make the change?
No change is necessary, i am working on similar project where the database is going to be used for read-only and Myisam is the best option for it.
In addition you can even use sphinx if you want faster reads.
hope this helps.
I hope that if my question is out of context you guys will let me pass by.I am not good at all when it comes to DBMS and all i can till in my 7+ years of IT experience is able to write some basic queries (with help from Google).
I am working on my own project and i am all done with the design phase and very will clear what all table structure i need to have for the project.I am going to use MySQL for this and since project is with the capabilities of small CMS in itself which means a lot of data to be handled at the database size.
I am using TOAD for MySQL to create schema and other things for MySQL but while doing this i have few queries which i want to address in the beginning.
What should be the storage engine type for MySQL (default is InnoDB)
Any other parameters needs to taken care of storage Engine
what Character set and Collation need to be set at table level and for column level if any (Application will have to take care of internationalization )
being not much knowledgeable about the database aspect these are the question keep popping in my mind and any help in this regard will be appreciated.
You should stick with InnoDB. It has transactions and a row-level locking. For high (writing) concurrency the row-level locking allows multiple INSERTs/UPDATEs/DELETEs at the same time. MyIsam has table-locking, meaning only one modifying query at a time. If you're read-heavy, MyISAM may perform better though. SELECT COUNT(*) FROM table; for example is a statistical thing MyISAM can answer instantly, while InnoDB actually does a COUNT(). InnoDB lets you define connections between your tables (Foreign Key Constraints) to help you with your data integrity.
If you're interested in things like the above, I recommend reading High Performance MySQL from O'Reilly Media.
Regarding the Character Set you should make sure that all tables / columns use the same character set. Preferably Unicode (UTF8). Make sure your mysql client is also set up to use UTF8, to avoid (transparent) transliteration of your data. (In fact, make sure the whole app does UTF8 from storage to display).
The Collation is something that lets you define your text being UTF8, but in a, say, German, context. With that knowledge, MySQL will properly sort "fööbar" and "foobar" according to the rules of the German language. (sorting amongst other things). I usually use "utf8_general_ci". Have a look at some examples over at mysql: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/charset-collation-effect.html
Probably you will get better answer, but quickly from my experiences:
InnoDB is good for creating reliable data-driven web application and MyISAM is good for performance. But InnoDB supports Foreign Keys, transactions and row-level-locking which makes you honest while designing tables. It means if you don't want to create a simple and experimental database, the solution is using InnoDB.
You should look at Foreign Keys, transactions and Row-level locking (Only InnoDB supports these features)
utf8_general_ci is the most popular one I know if you want to storage different languages' data. It won't let you down.
I hope this help.
I've read various threads about which is better between InnoDB and MyISAM. It seems that the debates are to use or the other. Is it not possible to use both, depending on the table?
What would be the disadvantages in doing this? As far as I can tell, the engine can be set during the CREATE TABLE command. Therefore, certain tables which are often read can be set to MyISAM, but tables that need transaction support can use InnoDB.
You can have both MyISAM and InnoDB tables in the same database. What you'll find though, when having very large tables is, MyISAM would cause table-lock issues. What this ultimately does is, it locks the whole table for a single transaction, which is very bad if you have many users using your website. e.g If you have a user searching for something on your site and the query takes minutes to complete, no other users could use your site during that period because the whole table is locked.
InnoDB on the other hand uses row-level locking, meaning, that row is the only row locked from the table during a transaction. InnoDB can be slower at searches because it doesn't offer full text search like MyISAM, but that isn't a big problem when you compare it to table-level locking of MyISAM. If you use InnoDB, like many large sites, then you could use a server side search engine like Sphinx for full text searches. Or you could even use a MyISAM table to do the searching like f00 suggested. I'd personally recommended InnoDB mainly because of the row-level locking feature, but also because you can implement full text searching in many other ways.
Basically, if you have a message board application with lots of selects, inserts as well as updates, InnoDB is probably the generally appropriate choice.
But if you're not building something like that (or any other thing with registered users) and your working mostly with static content (or more reads than writes), then you could use MyISAM.
Yes indeed you may use both in the same database, you may choose for each table separately.
In short, InnoDB is good if you are working on something that needs a reliable database that can handles a lot of INSERT and UPDATE instructions.
and, MyISAM is good if you needs a database that will mostly be taking a lot of read (SELECT) instructions rather than write (INSERT and UPDATES), considering its drawback on the table-lock thing.
you may want to check out;
Pros and Cons of InnoDB
Pros and Cons of MyISAM
You don't choose InnoDB or MyISAM on a database level, but instead on a table level. So within the one database you could have some tables running the InnoDB engine and some running MyISAM. As you pointed out, you could choose to use InnoDB on the tables that require transactions etc, and MyISAM where you need other features such as fulltext searching.
We're running a social networking site that logs every member's action (including visiting other member's pages); this involves a lot of writes to the db. These actions are stored in a MyISAM table and since something is starting to tax the CPU, my first thought was that it's the table locking of MyISAM that is causing this stress on the CPU.
There are only reads and writes, no updates to this table. I think the balance between reads and writes is about 50/50 for this table, would InnoDB therefore be a better option?
If I want to change the table to InnoDB and we don't use foreign key constraints, transactions or fulltext indexes - do I need to worry about anything?
Notwithstanding any benefits / drawbacks of its use, which are discussed in other threads ( MyISAM versus InnoDB ), migration is a nontrivial process.
Consider
Functionally testing all components which talk to the database if possible - difference engines have different semantics
Running as much performance testing as you can - some things may improve, others may be much worse. A well-known example is SELECT COUNT(*) on a large table.
Checking that all your code will handle deadlocks gracefully - you can get them without explicit use of transactions
Estimate how much space usage you'll get by converting - test this in a non-production environment.
You will doubtless need to change things in a large software platform; this is ok, but seeing as you (hopefully) have a lot of auto-test coverage, change should be acceptable.
PS: If "Something is starting to tax the CPU", then you should a) Find out what, in a non-production environment, b) Try various options to reduce it, in a non-production environment. You should not blindly start doing major things like changing database engines when you haven't fully analysed the problem.
All performance testing should be done in a non-production environment, with production-like data and on production-grade hardware. Otherwise it is difficult to interpret results correctly.
With regards to other potential migration problems:
1) Space - InnoDB tables often require more disk space, though the Barracuda file format for new versions of InnoDB have narrowed the difference. You can get a sense for this by converting a recent backup of the tables and comparing the size. Use "show table status" to compare the data length.
2) Full text search - only on MyISAM
3) GIS/Spatial datatypes - only on MyISAM
On performance, as the other answers and the referenced answer indicate, it depends on your workload. MyISAM is much faster for full table scans. InnoDB tends to be much faster for highly concurrent access. InnoDB can also be much faster if your lookups are based on the primary key.
Another performance issue is that MyISAM can always keep a row count, since it only does table level locking. So, if you're frequently trying to get the row count for a very large table, it may be much slower with InnoDB. Search the Internet if you need a workaround for this, as I've seen several proposed.
Depending on the size of the table(s), you may also need to update your MySQL config file. At the very least, you may want to shift bytes from key_buffer to innodb_buffer_pool_size. You won't get a fair comparison if you leave the database as being optimized for MyISAM. Read up on all the innodb_* configuration properties.
I think it's quite possible that switching to InnoDB would improve performance, but In my experience, you can't really be sure until you try it. If I were you, I would set up a test environment on the same server, convert to InnoDB and run a benchmark.
From my experience, MyISAM tables are only useful for text indexing where you need good performance with searches on big text, but you still don't need a full fledged search engine like Solr or ElasticSearch.
If you want to switch to InnoDB but want to keep indexing your text in a MyISAM table, I suggest you take a look at this: http://blog.lavoie.sl/2013/05/converting-myisam-to-innodb-keeping-fulltext.html
Also: InnoDB supports live atomic backups using innobackupex from Percona. This is godsent when dealing with production servers.
It seems like I will be needing transaction with MySQL and I have no idea how should I manage transactions in Mysql with mixed InnoDB/MyISAM tables, It all seems like a huge mess.
You might ask why would I ever want to mix the tables together... the anwer is PERFORMANCE. as many developers have noticed, InnoDB tables generally have bad performance, but in return give higher isolation level etc...
does anyone have any advice regarding this issue?
I think you are overrating the performance difference between MyISAM and InnoDB. MyISAM is faster in data warehousing situations (such as full table scan reporting, etc..), but InnoDB can actually be faster in many cases with normal OLTP queries.
InnoDB is harder to tune since it has more knobs, but a properly tuned InnoDB system can often have higher throughput than MyISAM due to better locking and better I/O patterns.
Given that you can't have transactions in MyISAM tables, I am not sure what the actual problem is. Any data you need transactions for must be in an InnoDB table and you manage the transactions using whatever access library you are using or with manual SQL commands.
There are definite performance benefits of using exactly one engine.
A server tuned for one engine won't be tuned for the other - both require that you allocate a substantial amount of RAM to its exclusive use - therefore, you can't give them both an optimal amount.
Say you have 8G of ram on your (obviously 64-bit, but still relatively small) database server, you might want to assign about 3/4 of it to your innodb page cache. Alternatively, if you're using MyISAM, you may want about half of it to be your key_buffer. You can't do both.
Pick an engine and use it exclusively. There are ways of getting around performance problems - most of them aren't easy though (i.e. they require redesigning your data structure or your application).
The short answer is that there is no transaction support in MyISAM. If you start a transaction, add or modify data in some InnoDB tables, add or modify data in a MyISAM table, and then you have to rollback, your MyISAM change cannot be removed. To support mixed engines like that, your application has to know that changes to whatever data is stored MyISAM happens "outside" of the transaction.
If you need transactions for some processes, then isolate the data that must be transactionable and put all that data in InnoDB.