We are in the research phase of a new project which will be used in the advertising arena. Users create a bunch of items that will play in different regions on the screen and can then swap out animations (images/texts etc).
We are pushing for an HTML5 solution which will be responsible for the rendering but a new proposal is to just use SVG (and SMIL).
I know you can embed SVG content in HTML5 pages and there are numerous links comparing the canvas and SVG.
What I need to know is what are the pros and cons of going for a solution which is based on HTML5 compared with a solution that is based solely on SVG? Also for the long term plans of the project, I can see HTML5 as allowing so much more.
Also I am not sure what tooling support is available for users using SVG. Most of items must be templatable (changing text/images), is this at all possible?
TIA
JD
I've recently had an opportunity to try Raphaël, an SVG-based solution, and Flot, an canvas-based solution. Both provide emulation on browsers that don't support the primary format: Raphaël uses VML on IE, and Flot uses excanvas.
Both SVG and canvas have advantages and disadvantages. Both can draw shapes, paths, and embed images, but canvas can do pixel-level manipulation and can draw a lot more sprites quickly, which is why it's becoming popular for HTML5 games. SVG has more powerful paths, although you'll have to learn the syntax.
SVG has another really interesting advantage: elements on a chart are DOM nodes, so it can use browser mouse and click events as well as add, remove, or change an individual node without redrawing the whole chart. Doing the same thing on a canvas involves manually keeping track of the locations of every visual element and redrawing the whole canvas when stuff moves. (Canvas does let you do double buffering and caching stuff sop it is possible to redraw it quickly, but the logic of keeping track of where everything is is still on you.)
For that reason, I think SVG is a better choice for interactive graphs and charts, while canvas is more appropriate for advanced graphics. In either case, cross-platform compatibility is a concern and a abstraction layer is indicated.
SVG is potentially more search-engine friendly and accessible than HTML5 <canvas>, in that SVG elements and text can be (potentially -- not sure if they actually do!) indexed and read out to a screenreader, user whilst <canvas> is initially just a bitmap and would need additional content to be created if one of these ads was to be presented as part of a web page. OTOH, if it's a game-like tool that's not for content creation then perhaps that's not an issue ... perhaps give more details?
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I am trying to choose the right technology to use for updating a project that basically renders thousands of points in a zoomable, pannable graph. The current implementation, using Protovis, is underperformant. Check it out here:
http://www.planethunters.org/classify
There are about 2000 points when fully zoomed out. Try using the handles on the bottom to zoom in a bit, and drag it to pan around. You will see that it is quite choppy and your CPU usage probably goes up to 100% on one core unless you have a really fast computer. Each change to the focus area calls a redraw to protovis which is pretty darn slow and is worse with more points drawn.
I would like to make some updates to the interface as well as change the underlying visualization technology to be more responsive with animation and interaction. From the following article, it seems like the choice is between another SVG-based library, or a canvas-based one:
http://www.sitepoint.com/how-to-choose-between-canvas-and-svg/
d3.js, which grew out of Protovis, is SVG-based and is supposed to be better at rendering animations. However, I'm dubious as to how much better and what its performance ceiling is. For that reason, I'm also considering a more complete overhaul using a canvas-based library like KineticJS. However, before I get too far into using one approach or another, I'd like to hear from someone who has done a similar web application with this much data and get their opinion.
The most important thing is performance, with a secondary focus on ease of adding other interaction features and programming the animation. There will probably be no more than 2000 points at once, with those small error bars on each one. Zooming in, out, and panning around need to be smooth. If the most recent SVG libraries are decent at this, then perhaps the ease of using d3 will outweigh the increased setup for KineticJS, etc. But if there is a huge performance advantage to using a canvas, especially for people with slower computers, then I would definitely prefer to go that way.
Example of app made by the NYTimes that uses SVG, but still animates acceptably smoothly:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/05/17/business/dealbook/how-the-facebook-offering-compares.html . If I can get that performance and not have to write my own canvas drawing code, I would probably go for SVG.
I noticed that some users have used a hybrid of d3.js manipulation combined with canvas rendering. However, I can't find much documentation about this online or get in contact with the OP of that post. If anyone has any experience doing this kind of DOM-to-Canvas (demo, code) implementation, I would like to hear from you as well. It seems to be a good hybrid of being able to manipulate data and having custom control over how to render it (and therefore performance), but I'm wondering if having to load everything into the DOM is still going to slow things down.
I know that there are some existing questions that are similar to this one, but none of them exactly ask the same thing. Thanks for your help.
Follow-up: the implementation I ended up using is at https://github.com/zooniverse/LightCurves
Fortunately, drawing 2000 circles is a pretty easy example to test. So here are four possible implementations, two each of Canvas and SVG:
Canvas geometric zooming
Canvas semantic zooming
SVG geometric zooming
SVG semantic zooming
These examples use D3's zoom behavior to implement zooming and panning. Aside from whether the circles are rendered in Canvas or SVG, the other major distinction is whether you use geometric or semantic zooming.
Geometric zooming means you apply a single transform to the entire viewport: when you zoom in, circles become bigger. Semantic zooming in contrast means you apply transforms to each circle individually: when you zoom in, the circles remain the same size but they spread out. Planethunters.org currently uses semantic zooming, but it might be useful to consider other cases.
Geometric zooming simplifies the implementation: you apply a translate and scale once, and then all the circles are re-rendered. The SVG implementation is particularly simple, updating a single "transform" attribute. The performance of both geometric zooming examples feels more than adequate. For semantic zooming, you'll notice that D3 is significantly faster than Protovis. This is because it's doing a lot less work for each zoom event. (The Protovis version has to recalculate all attributes on all elements.) The Canvas-based semantic zooming is a bit more zippy than SVG, but SVG semantic zooming still feels responsive.
Yet there is no magic bullet for performance, and these four possible approaches don't begin to cover the full space of possibilities. For example, you could combine geometric and semantic zooming, using the geometric approach for panning (updating the "transform" attribute) and only redrawing individual circles while zooming. You could probably even combine one or more of these techniques with CSS3 transforms to add some hardware acceleration (as in the hierarchical edge bundling example), although that can be tricky to implement and may introduce visual artifacts.
Still, my personal preference is to keep as much in SVG as possible, and use Canvas only for the "inner loop" when rendering is the bottleneck. SVG has so many conveniences for development—such as CSS, data-joins and the element inspector—that it is often premature optimization to start with Canvas. Combining Canvas with SVG, as in the Facebook IPO visualization you linked, is a flexible way to retain most of these conveniences while still eking out the best performance. I also used this technique in Cubism.js, where the special case of time-series visualization lends itself well to bitmap caching.
As these examples show, you can use D3 with Canvas, even though parts of D3 are SVG-specific. See also this force-directed graph and this collision detection example.
I think that in your case the decision between canvas and svg is not like a decision between »riding a Horse« or driving a »Porsche«. For me it is more like the decision about the cars color.
Let me explain:
Assuming that, based on the framework the operations
draw a star,
add a star and
remove a star
take linear time. So, if your decision of the framework was good it is a bit faster, otherwise a bit slower.
If you go on assuming that the framework is just fast, than it becomes totally obvious that the lack of performance is caused be the high amount of stars and handling them is something none of the frameworks can do for you, at least I do not know about this.
What I want to say is that the base of the problem leads to a basic problem of computational geometry, namely: range searching and another one of computer graphics: level of detail.
To solve your performance problem you need to implement a good preprocessor which is able to find very fast which stars to display and is perhaps able to cluster stars which are close together, depending on the zoom. The only thing that keeps your view vivid and fast is keeping the number of stars to draw as low possible.
As you stated, that the most important thing is performance, than I would tend to use canvas, because it works without DOM operations. It also offers the opportunity to use webGL, what increases graphic performance a lot.
BTW: did you check paper.js? It uses canvas, but emulates vector graphics.
PS: In this Book you can find a very detailed discussion about graphics on the web, the technologies, pros and cons of canvas, SVG and DHTML.
I recently worked on a near-realtime dashboard (refresh every 5 seconds) and chose to use charts that render using canvas.
We tried Highcharts(SVG based JavaScript Charting library) and CanvasJS(Canvas based JavaScript Charting library). Although Highcharts is a fantastic charting API and offers way more features we decided to use CanvasJS.
We needed to display at least 15 minutes of data per chart (with option to pick range of max two hours).
So for 15 minutes: 900 points(data point per second) x2(line and bar combination chart) x4 charts = 7200 points total.
Using chrome profiler, with CanvasJS the memory never went above 30MB while with Highcharts memory usage exceeded 600MB.
Also with refresh time of 5 seconds CanvasJS rendering was allot more responsive then Highcharts.
We used one timer (setInterval 5 seconds) to make 4 REST API calls to pull the data from back end server which connected to Elasticsearch. Each chart updated as data is received by JQuery.post().
That said for offline reports I would go with Highcharts since its more flexible API.
There's also Zing charts which claims to use either SVG or Canvas but haven't looked at them.
Canvas should be considered when performance is really critical. SVG for flexibility. Not that canvas frameworks aren't flexible, but it takes allot more work for canvas framework to get the same functionality as an svg framework.
Might also look into Meteor Charts, which is built on top of the uber fast KineticJS framework: http://meteorcharts.com/
I also found when we print to PDF a page with SVG graphics, the resulting PDF still contains a vector-based image, while if you print a page with Canvas graphics, the image in the resulting PDF file is rasterized.
I'm implementing a HTML5 game using canvas. Now I'm thinking about making all text overlays like tooltips, speechbubbles, infowindows and so on using HTML elements with position absolute over the canvas. So I can use many effects and transitions CSS3 offers.
But I'm not sure about performance. These overlays have to be added and removed frecuently (is something MMORPG like, so there will be a lot of speechbubbles and so on).
There are probably 2 questions regarding performance:
DOM traversal to add/remove. Maybe a cache can help?
HTML and CSS3 itself.
The other option is to manage these elements in the canvas itself, drawing them each frame. But maybe I have then again a performance penalty, because of the extra code, timeouts and stuff I would have to add, to achieve similar effects like in CSS3. And traversal of some data structure would be needed anyways.
Any advices, opinions, experiences?
Thanks in advance.
Consider using only one of the mentioned two technology. May be you can release that application in mobile or tablet. I think on these devices would be issues with handling both the same time. And another thing: if you stay in canvas there would be no worries about compatibility. Its not a techy but a thought-provoking answer.
The single best reason for using the DOM for UI elements in HTML5 games is event handling.
If you draw everything on canvas you will need to write your own logic to handle clicks and decide what has been clicked on, which can soon become very complex, expecialy if you have multiple layers of interface.
With DOM elements (especially when using a library like jQuery) this is trivial, and you can create a rich and interactive UI with minimal effort.
The only downside I can think of is that you may encounter browser inconsistencies, especially if using CSS3, but again jQuery will help with this.
I suppose another downside is that once you go down the DOM route, your game is always going to be a browser game, whereas if it was 100% canvas, there would always be the possibility of porting the code to another language and making it native, but I guess that would only be a downside for some people.
One way to approach this is to use a "dynamic" image map behind your canvas object. Then you can use the dom as required. Note you will need to pass the clicks on the canvas through to the image map.
What is the correct approach if you plan to implement a (complex, interactive) network diagramm in "HTML5", which is part of a modelling tool - for example to let the user design a workflow?
Is SVG the right approach or using directly Javascript/Canvas?. Is there any productive application out there, which has proved that this is doable in HTML5 (the network model can be quite complex), especially regarding performance?
I do not need any implementation details, just a hint to the 'correct' technology if you would be 'forced' to do this in HTML5...
Thanks.
svg now has support from ie9. canvas is supported in most modern browsers and css is supported by all.
svg has the advantage of beeing scalable (the 'image' is a vector map, so the user can have it in every size he prefers), but the performance of beeing rendered is a bit crappy. You can bind some events to the elements..
canvas is like GDLib or ImageMagick, you have a white sheet, where you can plot onto. So if you do a change, you first have to clear the canvas and redraw everything. You don't know onto what element a user has clicked onto and only can bind events generally for the whole canvas element.
Using HTML and the DOM with CSS would be an alternative, since you just could start moving elements of the network arround and can bind events to nodes of your network. But lines are quite hard to implement (can use a rotated div with top-border)
I personally would go for a hybrid between svg and plain html, but then again, I don't know every use-case of your application.
I'm new to html5 and have been playing around with the canvas. I'm wondering when the canvas would really be necessary/useful? i.e. when is it meant to be used?
If i need to do simple animation, like move tags around, do i really need a canvas or is it better/easier to just use jquery/js?
With help of canvas you can create 2D graphic applications, animations, simple transformation of images (like rotating them), GUI etc. Some examples:
Asteroids game
jigsaw puzzle
About GUI, unfortunately I can't load a site, no idea why... it was called iWidgets.com, the only thing I've found is a screenshot. You can see blue pipeline there, they bound elements. It was done with help of canvas; while moving elements, pipelines also were redrawing; when you change active element all its connections changes color to yellow (so you see dependencies). Nice project, I hope it is not accessible just for a while...
Good article about how to use it is here
From "An insight into the HTML5 Canvas Element":
The canvas element is interesting and
worthy of focus because it enables,
for the first time, direct drawing of
graphics within a browser without the
use for an external plugin like Flash
or Java. The beauty of canvas is that
it’s controlled entirely via simple
JavaScript code, meaning it builds on
the powerful functionality JavaScript
already provides and doesn’t require a
crazy learning curve to use.
Choosing to experiment with canvas
over other new elements was simply
down to it’s functionality as a
graphics platform, which inherently
makes it a potentially interesting and
rich platform to play with. It was
decided that pushing the flexible
canvas element would produce the most
interesting results that we can use in
the application.
Another deciding factor for choosing
canvas was to test the animation
capabilities and the possibility of it
being a potential Flash replacement.
Now Flash obviously has features that
canvas could never emulate, however
it’s an exciting concept nonetheless
to see exactly what could be achieved
with canvas that would normally be
done by reaching for Flash.
read that article to get more useful information
PS. If your animation is about tags moving (like parts of your page), then canvas does not fit. Canvas is for graphic rendering. So in that case you will use jquery or other JS libraries.
Here's the best practices for deciding when to use CSS3 Transitions / Animations or Canvas. Keep in mind that if you're using jQuery, under the covers they will be using CSS3 transitions or animations when possible.
CSS3 Translations / Animations - use these if you're animating DOM element styles, such as position and size
Canvas animations - use canvas animations if you're animating something more complex, like if you're creating an online game or building a physics simulator. If you're animating 3-d models, you'll definitely want to use canvas so that you can leverage WebGL
Canvas gives you access to the pixel level of the graphics. If you wanted to do a checkerboard transition you could do that with a script in canvas but not in jquery.
For a few examples of what is possible (already been done) see http://www.netzgesta.de/transm/
I'm trying to make some web-based board games, and I want the interface to be pannable and zoomable. Much like how in Google Maps, you can pan and zoom the map, I want the game board to be moved and zoomed. Unlike Google Maps of course, I do not want to work with image tiles.
Can anyone give me recommendations as to what technology to use? Would this be a good fit for plain HTML? HTML 5 Canvas? or SVG? Any particular JS libraries to recommend or something else entirely?
I'd like to avoid flash and Java. And browser compatibility is plus, but not the most important factor. For example, I think it would probably be OK to require Chrome Frame for older IEs.
Any ideas/advice would be appreciated.
A few thoughts:
Use the OpenLayers UI with a "fixed" strategy to load vector graphics for your board all at once. (This is overly heavy-weight, probably, but comes with pan-zoom and IE compatibility.)
Use Raphael to build your board in SVG, using RaphaelZPD for pan-zoom. RaphaelZPD isn't cross-browser (even though Raphael is), so you'd need Chrome Frame for IE compatibility. This would be pretty lightweight, I think.
Use pure SVG for your board, use SVGpan for pan-zoom. Chrome Frame required here too, though you could use SVGweb if you wanted. You could draw your boards right in Inkscape, clean up the SVG's and add whatever ID's you need in the XML (SVG is XML under the hood), and interact with the board with jQuerySVG if you like, or script interaction by hand. Did I mention that CSS works with SVG? I think this is your best bet.
I can't think of an advantage to using Canvas here, unless you had lots of animation or bitmaps. SVG is far more transparent in how it works - it's XML under the hood, and when rendered in a page, becomes DOM nodes you can easily manipulate in modern browsers.
Plain HTML would probably be hard to handle scaling with. I've seen plenty of image scalers, but haven't seen complex HTML structures, and complexity would be compounded by needing to pan at a zoomed level.
If you want total control of your development environment you could create your own web rendering plataform. I think you can use HTML canvas 5 as your interface with the browser.
You can easily implement drag, pan and zoom using HTML canvas. This approach is very similar with game development in many plataforms. Here an example of using HTML canvas 5 for an interface that supports pan, drag, and zoom.
Having the control of your environment you will have a wide range of possibilities.
If you don't mind tiles, I'd suggest checking out Polymaps "A JavaScript library for image- and vector-tiled maps using SVG". It's probably possible to borrow some parts from there for panning and zooming.