I'm looking for a way to implement basic Publish / Subscribe between applications written in different languages, to exchange events with JSON payloads.
WebSocket seems like the obvious choice for the transport, but you need an (arguably small) layer on top to implement some of the plumbing:
aggreeing on messages representing the pubsub domain "subscribe to a topic", "publish a message"
aggreeing on messages for the infra ("heartbeat", "authentication")
I was expecting to find an obvious standard for this, but there does not seem to be any.
WAMP is often refered to, but in my (short) experience, the implementations of server / clients libraries are not great
STOMP is often refered to, but in my (even shorter) experience, it's even worse
Phoenix Channels are nice, but they're restricted to Phoenix/Elixir world, and not standard (so the messages can be changed at any phoenix version without notice.)
So, is everyone using MQTT/WS (which require another broker components, rather than simple servers ?) Or gRPC ?
Is everyone just re-implementing it from scratch ? (It's one of those things that seems easy enough to do oneselves, but I guess you just end up with an half-baked, poorly-specified, broken version of the thing I'm looking for...)
Or is there something fundamentally broken with the idea of serving streams of data from a server over WS ?
There are two primary classes of WebSocket libraries; those that implement the protocol and leave the rest to the developer, and those that build on top of the protocol with various additional features commonly required by realtime messaging applications, such as restoring lost connections, pub/sub, and channels, authentication, authorization, etc.
The latter variety often requires that their own libraries be used on the client-side, rather than just using the raw WebSocket API provided by the browser. As such, it becomes crucial to make sure you’re happy with how they work and what they’re offering. You may find yourself locked into your chosen solution’s way of doing things once it has been integrated into your architecture, and any issues with reliability, performance, and extensibility may come back to bite you.
ws, faye-websockets, socket.io, μWebSockets and SocketCluster are some good open-source options.
The number of concurrent connections a server can handle is rarely the bottleneck when it comes to server load. Most decent WebSocket servers can support thousands of concurrent connections, but what’s the workload required to process and respond to messages once the WebSocket server process has handled receipt of the actual data?
Typically there will be all kinds of potential concerns, such as reading and writing to and from a database, integration with a game server, allocation and management of resources for each client, and so forth.
As soon as one machine is unable to cope with the workload, you’ll need to start adding additional servers, which means now you’ll need to start thinking about load-balancing, synchronization of messages among clients connected to different servers, generalized access to client state irrespective of connection lifespan or the specific server that the client is connected to – the list goes on and on.
There’s a lot involved when implementing support for the WebSocket protocol, not just in terms of client and server implementation details, but also with respect to support for other transports to ensure robust support for different client environments, as well as broader concerns, such as authentication and authorization, guaranteed message delivery, reliable message ordering, historical message retention, and so forth. A data stream network such as Ably Realtime would be a good option to use in such cases if you'd rather avoid re-inventing the wheel.
There's a nice piece on WebSockets, Pub/Sub, and all issues related to scaling that I'd recommend reading.
Full disclosure: I'm a Developer Advocate for Ably but I hope this genuinely answers your question.
We are in need of a queuing solution for one of my team's apps. Ideally we'd like the message consumers to pull a message, process it, but place it back on the queue if processing failed for whatever reason (so that it can be retried a few minutes later). Are there any MQ servers out there that support this workflow?
Any JMS compliant messaging provider should do this. Some also provide this functionality in a native API. For example, WebSphere MQ has both local units of work and global (XA) units of work through JTA and a native API. Some technologies hide this from you. For example, depending on your settings, the JMS classes may "auto-acknowledge" messages by committing them.
If you wish to try WebSphere MQ, the server is available through the Trial Download and is a paid license after the trial. However, the clients are free and the server can handle thousands of simultaneous clients and hundreds to tens of thousands of messages per second, depending on the server class. The documentation is available free and without registration here.
I was wondering how to send messages to another user using Progress 4gl. We are trying to cut down on the PA speaker where I work and I want some way to notify a certain user/users of some predefined messages. I'm not sure if this is even possible with Progress, or if there is a message queue that can be used. If anyone has any samples, ideas or has done this before, please let me know. Thanks!!
You might find this helpful:
Following on from presentations in Boston and Finland, dot.r is
pleased to announce the open source Stomp project, available
immediately.
Download from either http://www.dotr.com or
https://bitbucket.org/jmls/stomp , the dot.r stomp programs allow you
to connect your progress session to any other application or service
that is connected to the same message broker.
Open source , free message brokers that support Stomp are :
Fuse (http://fusesource.com/products/fuse-mq-enterprise/)
[a Progress company now owned by Red Hat inc]
Fuse MQ Enterprise is a standards-based, open source messaging platform
that deploys with a very small footprint. The lack of license
fees combined with high-performance, reliable messaging that can be
used with any development environment provides a solution that
supports integration everywhere
ActiveMQ (http://activemq.apache.org/)
Apache ActiveMQ (tm) is the most popular and powerful open source messaging
and Integration Patterns server. Apache ActiveMQ is fast,
supports many Cross Language Clients and Protocols, comes with
easy to use Enterprise Integration Patterns and many advanced features
while fully supporting JMS 1.1 and J2EE 1.4.
Apache ActiveMQ is released under the Apache 2.0 License
RabbitMQ
RabbitMQ is a message broker. The principal idea is pretty simple: it
accepts and forwards messages. You can think about it as a post
office: when you send mail to the post box you're pretty sure that Mr.
Postman will eventually deliver the mail to your recipient. Using this
metaphor RabbitMQ is a post box, a post office and a postman.
The major difference between RabbitMQ and the post office is the fact
that it doesn't deal with paper, instead it accepts, stores and
forwards binary blobs of data - messages.
Please feel free to log any issues on the
https://bitbucket.org/jmls/stomp issue system, and fork the project in
order to commit back all those new features that you are going to add
...
dot.r Stomp uses the permissive MIT licence
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_License)
Have fun, enjoy !
Julian
I tried it -- the code is dead-simple to install and run. And peeking inside the source is a pleasure.
ApacheMQ is pretty much painless to get going. This is a really, really easy way to get going with messaging.
If you are an old character-based fossil (such as myself) you might want to skip the GUI samples. You can send a message with:
/* stompQOut.p
*
*/
dotr.Stomp.Helper.SendMessage:ToQueue("myQueue","a test message")
And receive messages with:
/* stompQIn.p
*
*/
define variable stompClient as dotr.Stomp.StompClient no-undo.
define variable msgTxt as character no-undo format "x(60)".
stompClient = new dotr.Stomp.StompClient().
stompClient:Subscribe( this-procedure ).
stompClient:SubscribeToQueue( "myQueue" ).
pause 0 before-hide.
wait-for close of this-procedure.
procedure NewStompMessage:
define input parameter stompMessage as dotr.Stomp.StompMessage no-undo.
message string( stompMessage:Body ).
end.
I need to write a queuing system and I'd like to know what alternatives are there for queuing messages around Microsoft servers to MSMQ?
I know a little about MS-DTC and BizTalk but what are the pros and cons of these options and am I missing anything?
I need In-Order message delivery and potentially the ability to scale horizontally.
I'm dealing with upto around 100,000 messages an hour of less than 256kb per message.
Thanks
RabbitMQ is really good. Also search for AMQP. That stands for Advanced Message Queueing Protocol. It's an open standard for message queues. RabbitMQ is an implementation of AMQP.
MS-DTC has nothing to do with queuing, it is the Distributed Transaction Cordinator, and MSMQ can enlist in a Distributed Transaction to ensure reliable message delivery.
The issue with Biztalk IMHO, is the additional cost and complexity of having to support a biztalk server. If all you want is queuing then Biztalk might be overkill. A big seller of biztalk is the tools it provides for integrating various systems together.
What is wrong with MSMQ? You could easily handle that load, and I believe MSMQ can scale out when running in Active Directory.
You could also look at other vendors IBM's MQ Series (Which I would advise against if your in a microsoft environment), Rhino Queues is another one I am vaguley familiar with.
What problem do MOM (Message Oriented Middleware) solve? Scalability? Integration?
In which domain are they typically used and in which domains are they typically not used?
For example, say, is Google using such solution for it's main search engine or to power GMail?
What about big websites like Walmart, eBay, FedEx (pretty much a Java shop) and buy.com (pretty much an MS shop)? Does MOM solve a need there?
Does it make any sense when you're writing a Webapp where you control the server-side and have an homogenous environment (say tens of Amazon EC2 instances all running Linux + Java JVMs) there and where the clients are, well, Web browsers?
Does it make sense for desktop apps that need to communicate with a server?
Or is it 'only' for big enterprise stuff where you typically have a happy mix of countless of different systems that needs to communicate in a way or another?
I'm a bit confused as to what they're useful for and I think that with example of where they're appropriate and where they're not appropriate I could better understand their use.
This is a great question.
The main uses of messaging are: scaling, offloading work, integration, monitoring, event handling, routing, networking, push, mobility, buffering, queueing, task sharing, alerts, management, logging, batch, data delivery, pubsub, multicast, audit, scheduling, ... and more. Basically: anything where you need data but don't want to make a database request. (Caching is another, longer story).
Another way of looking at this is to notice that many applications used to be built by assuming that users (people) would perform actions that would be fulfilled by executing a transaction on a database (including reads, writes). But today, many actions are not user-initiated. Instead they are application-initiated. For example "tell me when the book that I want to buy is in stock". The best way to solve this class of problems is with messaging of some sort. Whether you call it middleware or web push or real time salad dressing does not matter. It's all messaging.
When you enable applications to initiate or react to events, then it is much easier to scale because your architecture can be based on loosely coupled components. It is also much easier to integrate those components if your messaging is based on a stable, scalable, serviceable tool, preferably using open standard APIs and protocols.
I hope this helps. We try to maintain a list of useful links about messaging here
Please get in touch with questions and comments on any of this, we are dead easy to find.
To address your specific questions:
In which domain are they typically used and in which domains are they typically not used?
Like databases, messaging systems crop up everywhere.
For example, say, is Google using such solution for it's main search engine or to power GMail?
Google uses a lot of home grown technology, but a lot of their open source contributions and known use cases suggest that messaging is (or should be) central to some of the main services.
What about big websites like Walmart, eBay, FedEx (pretty much a Java shop) and buy.com (pretty much an MS shop)? Does MOM solve a need there?
Very much so.
An example use case is scaling web page requests. When the user makes a web request, the web server puts it onto a queue for background processing. This means that the web server can keep working while the request is processed. It also means that the web server does not need to know how the request is handled, making system maintenance, upgrade and rollback much simpler because the main parts are 'decoupled'.
So, anyway, the web request gets processed by a back end service, or possibly by many services, eg 'look up book titles', 'draw shopping cart', 'get advertisement', 'check user account'... Finally all the results get put onto another queue, ready for collection and user response by the web server. Typically the system will include a timeout of around 100ms so that any late requests just get thrown away. The user sees anything that got processed in the time interval. This is one reason why some large ecommerce sites have pages that appear to load in stages.
There are many more use cases...
Does it make any sense when you're writing a Webapp where you control the server-side and have an homogenous environment (say tens of Amazon EC2 instances all running Linux + Java JVMs) there and where the clients are, well, Web browsers?
Definitely. If you have an unknown, or unbounded, number of users, server side instances, and application latencies, then it makes sense to use messaging, even if just as a scalable substrate for non-blocking RPC.
Does it make sense for desktop apps that need to communicate with a server?
In lots of cases. One very common case is when the server pushes events to the desktop app, eg game event, tweets, price feeds in finance, system alerts....
Or is it 'only' for big enterprise stuff where you typically have a happy mix of countless of different systems that needs to communicate in a way or another?
Definitely not only for those 'legacy integration' cases but they are important too. At RabbitMQ, the biggest customers we have in terms of pure scale or message volume are cloud providers and big web application providers.
I will answer only one answer, from prior experience - take a look at this middle-ware that is employed by big companies here - middle-ware has one purpose - to glue dis-connected systems (written in disparate languages) together so that they can interact with one another and streamline the business process - Entera as I have had experience with, creates a middle layer in which the unix box using processes written in C, interact with the mainframe system (DB2, COBOL) via a front-end written in PowerBuilder (I am not naming the company!).
From the description I have given, Entera is a middle-ware which hosts a number of things - smooth integration of the flow of data regardless of the endian format, ability for different languages to talk to the middle-ware broker (a broker is a CORBA or DCE like process, that conforms to 'The Open Group) that listens on a particular port) and is specified by an IDL which makes a process appear to be local - if you understand the terminology used in Remoting under Microsoft's .NET Framework, you are not far off the mark! The middle-ware generates stubs which are linked at compile-time and manages the creation of the process, hosting it off a port, multi-threading at run-time, and also, the modern front-ends (such as .NET, Java, PowerBuilder even the unspeakable VB6...ok...VB.NET for the purists out there) can interact by opening a connection to the specified port on a particular IP address, and using the stubs generated, can interact with it directly.
Obviously, from what was described you can see how the legacy systems can have new life breathed into it and thus scalability of the process, the major downside of this is the cost factor which can run into thousdands of dollars. Big companies who uses mainframes as their back-end processing systems for billing/invoicing, who generate a huge revenue can obviously afford such an expensive product - to them it would seem like throwing pennies into a pool of water...because of the use of middle-ware which prolongs the business process, and breathe new life into it, can extend the business by a good number of years into the future without worrying about 'legacy' tag attached to it.
Incidentally, I carried this out as part of my thesis for my BSc. in Information Systems which covered this commercial front-end. There was an open source version of the middle-ware available on sourceforge called FreeDCE, but development efforts have declined or stopped.
Edit:
#cocotwo: That is exactly what middle-ware does as you said it is a plumbing tool...message oriented middle-ware is not really heard of AFAIK because I would imagine, the processes (functions) would need to be called as if they are locally visible within the application domain of the front-end to make it easy to interact with.
Using messages may have its advantages over RPC calls in that the messages are queued in a safe-holding area in the event that a network disconnection occurs - there may be some data caching going on within that aspect to allow the front-end to continue regardless...it would be useful in the instances of 'updating a status of a particular billing/invoice number' - a one-way write-data to the back-end via the middle-ware.
Ok, big companies would have advanced systems infrastructure in that technicians are constantly around the clock to ensure a smooth delivery of data-flow so that would have to be factored in. The company that I worked with had IBM Global Support contract to fulfill in order to ensure a maximum uptime 99% with 6 nine's after the decimal point...with hot-swapping/balanced-clusters/mirroring systems in place...
Whereas with RPC, if the disconnection occurs, the front-end would have to be restarted or would have to handle the disconnection event. It really depends if the message-queueing middle-ware handles each message in real-time and pass back results to the front-end immediately...
This is where each (Message-queueing and RPC related middle-ware) have their strengths and weaknesses...and also the cost mitigation factor such as support, maximum up-time, development efforts and training - that's a biggie here as middle-ware are really proprietary (despite following the 'The Open Group' layout/standards) and complex to setup and to glue the whole thing together via scripts.
Good answers and discussion here. Our consulting team has two preferred "messaging" solutions: RabittMQ and NXTera a high speed RPC middleware, the contemporary version of Entera mentioned above. My partners and I have developed several solutions using RabittMQ, it is the best tool available in that space right now. Additionally, I happen to work for the company that makes NXTera/Entera.
From experience I can clearly say that both of these products meet the need for reliability and low maintenance as discussed above. There are situations where a messaging service, like RabittMQ, is the right choice -- where Publish and subscribe, certified delivery, Queuing or store-and-forward are required.
In other cases, RPC's (remote procedure calls) are the best and fastest solutions for transactional and distributed processing for enterprise or cloud-based applications. When it is right to use an RPC, but SOAP/.NET (yes these are RPC implementations) are too slow, expensive or complex, a lightwieght high speed RPC middleware like NXTera/Entera is the right choice for us.
There is some use case overlap between RPC middleware and message oriented middleware, and where there are you can use either successfully. But both are strong and dependable choices.
The large companies I work with use both RPC and MoM side-by-side. As far as Internet companies, Google (Protocol Buffers) and Facebook (Thrift) show that RPC's have a roll to play in modern web and cloud-based development.