I don't like django. The forms, the url schemes, the way they assume everyone use models on schemaful db (I prefer to use mongodb because it's so clean and easy).
I am pretty much fluent in all the major languages. I do prefer python because it's very clean but also strict (aka function signatures requires you to pass in only X variables etc).
I want something developed and mature - this means that stuff like authentication, registration etc should all be developed and ready to use.
Any suggestions?
TLDR: Need new web dev framework. Requirement: Nothing. Preference: Mongodb, python.
By the way forgot to mention that I might be looking for employment in the web dev industry. So if you can recommend something that is common among big companies that would also be a bonus. like scala's lift for foursquare (if I am not wrong) and php for facebook.
Rails. It works with MongoDB via Mongoid and has many authentication solutions. You'll find Ruby very comfortable if you have Python experience.
I'm using Flask for Python, and I love it. I'm using SQLAlchemy for Postgre, but it's super minimalistic, so you can use it with whatever you'd like. I've also heard really good things about Pylons, but don't have any experience with it myself.
Spring Framework. (Java)
For authentication you can use Spring Security
It seems like you aren't very keen on using Java, but if you don't mind a different language on the JVM I'd suggest taking a look at Compojure, a web framework for Clojure. It isn't a scripting language but can offer close to the same development speeds once you get used to 'the-lisp-way' of doing things.
I'm unaware of a fully featured MongoDB interface specifically for Clojure, but CongoMongo and Adia (I can't include more than the one link currently so you'll need to google them yourself, sorry!) might have (atleast part of) what you're looking for. If nothing else, you could probably just use an existing Java library to access MongoDB or use a different database. Give Compojure a try though, its definitely productive!
Also on a completely unrelated note, this happens to be my first answer on SO, so please be gentle with the downvotes :)
Pylons.
It will be very fitting for you
Im a big believer in grails. Built on best of breed technologies like Spring and Hibernate, you can fall back to java if you have too. Takes all the pain out of more traditional Java EE development. Has all the important functionality as plugins, you have access to Spring Security, JMS, everything you need. Is very convenient as the back end to a RIA, easily render you models as json, easily handle xml. Its great.
EDIT -- to address the comment, Grails uses the Groovy language, which is scriptable and has some very groovy features. And it is easy to learn if you are familiar with java. Has closures, lots of syntactic sugar.
The scripting part is actually quite invaluable -- you write groovy scripts and import your grails classes to whip up functionality to augment your app (like quick queries into your db)
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I am searching for the best 100% open source ESB for the following requirements, after searching I'm confused between Servicemix and WSO2/synapse
1- The requester is mobile app that requires all services to be exposed via REST (JSON objects)
2- Many back end providers (JMS, SOAP, SMTP, LDAP, ...)
3- Provide easy way and flexibility to transform and perform complex business logic
4- Security and Caching
5- Above all easy to learn, use and extend with small learning curve and good tutorials and community support
Thanks,
I think you can achieve what you want with both of these. You might even want to look at the similar Mule ESB CE which is as well open source.
However, considering you want a flexible solution that is easy to learn, but not limited, then I would go for Service Mix and deploy various Camel routes to it. Camel is, imho, probably the easies and most well documented open source integration engines out there and I really recommend it.
In the end, it's a matter of taste. WSO2/synapse has it's base in web services, and you might feel better there if you are more comfortable with XML standards (including SOAP,BPEL..) than java programming (which is sort of needed in SMX/camel).
As far as I've been able to find, there seems to be one option for building websites/web applications in Objective-J with Cappuccino.
The .NET is a huge framework that of course can compile for the web. I don't think it's a stupid question to ask whether or not Objective-C can be used for the same purpose.
Apple doesn't advertise being able to develop websites with Objective-C, but I thought I'd ask anyways.
Other than Cappuccino, is it possible or just completely not possible?
It'd be possible to build websites in Objective-C, the same way you'd be able to do it in C++ or even C.
There are pros and cons to both. The main pro is that these languages are generally more mature, robust and better featured than php, ruby etc. However, since they are not generally used for that purpose (unfortunately), there aren't many frameworks and/or workflows available. The most recognized for Obj-C is GNUstepWeb.
You also have to consider what you're doing. If you're building a web application that involves models, reports, etc, this would be a good way to go. On the other hand, if you're building a smaller website with more common features, chances are one of the "traditional" web-development platforms is going to be a better match.
I thought you might be interested in something like Cappuccino (Aka Objective-J) which is similar to Objective-C (in some ways) but fully designed for creating web application front ends. It compiles to Javascript.
Your question isn't stupid - but it is very broad and hard to answer. Are you talking about outputting HTML? Or are you talking about server side programming? Objective-C using Cocoa, or just vanilla Objective-C?
To start with, anything using cocoa frameworks cannot be compiled for the web. Period. You can imitate the Cocoa frameworks (like Cappuccino does), but it is not a small task.
It is possible to do web development with Objective-c (server-side), but it is not really feasible at the moment because you would have to write the libraries from scratch, and with so many other options out there for web development with complete frameworks (Ruby, PHP, Python, Java, etc) there really isn't any reason to do so.
WebObjects was an Objective C framework, but transitioned to Java a decade ago. However, it still has the Cocoa/Obj C feel, still using foundation classes such as NSArray as well as key concepts like KVC and MVC. The Apple online store and the iTunes Store are two successful examples of web applications written using WebObjects.
I have an existing website written in ASP.net, I have recently switched to Mac full time (With Windows in Boot Camp), and need to write a public API for accessing my website's MySQL data. I primarily want to use the API to allow building an iOS application.
I am interested in learning either Ruby on Rails or Node.js, I haven't used either of them yet.
Which language would be better for me to learn?
Rails is a relatively mature web framework based in Ruby and is designed for handling object-mapped data persistence in a relational database backend.
Node.js is much newer on the scene, and unlike Rails, is a more bare-bones package that allows for server-side Javascript applications thanks to a pretty tight HTTP(S) API. Node applications are by nature event-driven, which may or may not be ideal for your application.
Since it seems that you'll need data-persistence (you mentioned accessing MySQL data...), Rails might be easier to get started with, as it comes packaged with all the things you need in this respect and is designed to facilitate this sort of application.
If you you don't really need relational data persistence, Node is probably a better bet as it stays out of your way and lets you decide how to handle things. It's important to note that Node is a much more bare-bones "framework" than Rails -- if you want something slightly higher-level but still lighter than Rails that runs on Node, express is good place to start.
Still, if you want to try Node (I will confess: it's a lot of fun!), it's totally possible to access MySQL in a nice, event-driven (non-blocking) way. Here are two modules that will be helpful:
node-dbslayer
node-mysql
Neither is a language; they're frameworks. There is no "better", there may be a "more suitable" (probably not in this case).
Which would you prefer to develop in, Ruby (Rails), or JavaScript (node.js)?
Would you like to transfer that knowledge to a different job without rampup time (Rails)?
Would you like to learn something a bit more esoteric, event-driven (node.js)? (Ruby has Event Machine, but IMO node.js takes it a bit further.)
So this new application is just a middle man between your ASP.NET thing and your other clients.
In that case, totally use node. Node is great at being networking glue. Node scales great with IO bound applications (i.e. being a network middleman).
If you're going to use node then you probably want to look at express to make it easier.
I'm an experienced C/C++/C#/Objective-C desktop,web, and mobile programmer and I've become accustomed to building most of my software from scratch. I've built all my websites from the ground up using ASP.NET. I have quite a few ideas for websites that I'd like to test and I'd like to increase the rate at which I can actually build a website. I'm sure I'm unaware of many of the technologies that are commonly used for building out ideas quickly. About a year back, I looked into using the popular CMS called Drupal to see if it would help me speed up development. After two weeks of trying to decipher the structure of the Drupal CMS, along with trying to learn PHP, I found the learning curve to be steep enough to convince me that it would just be faster if I built my website yet again from scratch using ASP.NET MVC. I'm wondering if anyone could suggest any other technologies that are designed for programmers to build websites quicker than my current method of building them from scratch using ASP.NET MVC.
Secondly, I've been hearing many entrepreneurs mention Ruby on Rails is what they use to speed up the development of their ideas, so I'm planning to investigate it. Why do I hear more about Ruby on Rails than any other technology? Would you suggest using it to speed up development?
Thanks in advance for all your wisdom!
I've tried out Ruby on Rails, Django (the Python equivalent of Ruby on Rails) and Drupal. Drupal is nice if you're just acting as a sysadmin: install the modules you want and use it as-is. But PHP as a programming language is so annoying that I'd hate to use it for something serious.
Django has some odd quirks but seems to work well. From an MVC perspective, Django calls views "templates" and calls controllers "views", which is ugly. Also, instead of generating default URL -> controller/action mappings for you the way that Rails does, Django set up routing files by hand before things work. You also have to set up some DJANGO environment variables if you want to run other helper Python code with access to your model objects. Rails also creates and configures a sqlite database by default so that you can start right away, but with Django you have to set it up yourself.
Rails seems to "just work" in so many ways that I highly recommend it. Ruby is also a pleasant language to work in. Try the simple startup to see what I mean:
rails foo # Create the foo webapp
cd foo
script/server
Then browse to http://localhost:3000 to try things out. That page will give you some info about your webapp and point you to the next steps.
Use an ORM for the data layer. That will increase the speed.
Also reuse common code elements from your previous projects.
And still, for any more or less different site you would need to do some work. Cannot avoid that. ASP.NET MVC is quite powerful tool, especially because it's backed up by the rich .NET class library. At least this framework doesn't build you obstacles at any step along the way, which is quite an accomplishment.
Django is a framework for database-driven web pages in Python.
I agree with your assessment. I was rather proficient in C/C++/C# and never built a website before. I looked at a couple of things, but when I started working with ASP.NET MVC2, I loved it. Another method/architecture I like but haven't messed too much with is WPF. If you download Microsoft Expression Blend 4 there's a 60 day trial and it's really nice. A lot of clicking and less typing. :) Hope this helps.
I toyed with the Zend PHP Framework a bit, and found it to be pretty good. You mentioned that the learning curve for Drupal/PHP didn't make it worthwhile to pursue, but if you retained any of the PHP you learned from that, this might go a bit quicker. To read more you can check out "10 Compelling Reasons to Use Zend Framework". Zend might not exactly be "configure and you're done," but since I usually work with Enterprise Java, I found it pretty reasonable in the speed-to-set-up department.
I have been using Linq-to-SQL. What is a good option for working with mySQL? I have been looking at NHibernate, Entity Framework, etc. Some comparisons (pros, cons) would be helpful
LLBLGen. The current version 2.6 is awesome. The designer is really easy to use, supports entity inheritance, type converters (which also can be used to bridge the gap between different types across RDBMS), validation, auditing, authorization and a ton more. Most importantly though, their documentation is stellar and their support forum is very responsive. The lead developer (who is also on stackoverflow) also answers users questions. I can't say enough about this tool, try it. It is well worth the cost.
The next version is probably going to blow everything else out of the game. In addition to being able to generate their traditional data later, you will be able to gen nHibernate mapping files, entity framework and linq2sql.
Here is a discussion comparing LLBLGen to Entity Framework and to nHibernate (of course it might be biased since it is on their forum).
http://www.llblgen.com/tinyforum/Messages.aspx?ThreadID=12811
http://www.llblgen.com/tinyforum/Messages.aspx?ThreadID=14659
Have a look at Mindscape LightSpeed. It includes LINQ querying and a Visual Studio designer that works with MySQL natively. You can update your database or sync changes from your database directly from within the LightSpeed designer also.
Mindscape also publish an open source repository of helpers for asp.net MVC which includes things they have built up to make development with LightSpeed and MVC easier (for example, you'll likely end up wanting a custom ModelBinder for whatever underlying model objects you use - Mindscape provide one that is richer than the default model binder).
There is a free version available to play with:
Mindscape LightSpeed
One of the guys at Mindscape has also written a fairly deep set of blog posts about building up an ASP.NET MVC solution using LightSpeed (although it's probably helpful no matter what you're using :-)
ASP.NET MVC & LightSpeed Blogs Posts
Nhibernate is quite mature and seems be to lighter compared to Entity framework.
Entity Framework works for most things in MySQL. You will notice problems here and there, but chances are they'll all be manageable issues.
Try DbLinq.
It's not a full port of Linq to SQL, but it does the basics.
I haven't used it yet, but there also Linq support in nHibernate now (check the link).
The biggest downside to Entity Framework is the lack of native Lazy Loading. I've used NHibernate and Entity Framework - personally I prefer the richness of NHibernate but Entity Framework is fairly quick and easy to get going and isn't as bad as the rep it sometimes get.
Check out Telerik's OpenAccess ORM. It's free for any free or Open Source database platforms (in your case, MySQL), and provides a slick and easy-to-use GUI. Not to mention that Telerik has great support forums and a huge library of video training.
OpenAccess offers LINQ support, POCO, forward- and reverse-mapping, advanced caching, lazy- and aggressive-loading, no reflection, medium trust, and more. I use it daily (for MS Sql and Oracle data access) and have found it to be a great solution in enterprise scenarios and for my own personal projects.
Try NEntityDb. It allows you query and save data to the database with .NET LINQ Expressions and Fluent API, and eliminate the need for most of the data-access code they usually you need to write.