This Flash game has a lot of players including me and some friends. We noticed the same thing can run differently for different people. The math in the simulation is definitely to blame. Whether the cause is in hardware, OS, browser, 32-bit/64-bit, etc. is not really known. But with the combinations we have to test with, we've gotten 5 distinct end results from the same simulation starting conditions, and can likely get more.
This makes me wonder, does Actionscript have a floating point math specification? If so, what does it say about the accuracy and determinism of the computations?
I compare to Java, which differentiates between regular floating point math with the Math class and deterministic floating point with the StrictMath class and strictfp keyword. Both are always within 1 ulp of the exact result, this also implies the regular math and strict math always give results within 1 ulp of each other for a single operation or function call. The docs are very clear about this. I'd expect other respectable languages to have something similar, saying how accurate their floating point computations are and if they give the same results everywhere.
Update since some people have been saying the game is dishonest:
Some others have taken apart the swf and even made mods for it, they've seen the game engine and can confirm there is no randomness. Box2d is used for its physics. If a design ever does run differently on subsequent runs, it has actually changed due to some bug, usually this is a visible difference, but if not, you can check the raw data with this tool and see it is different. Different starting conditions as expected get different end results.
As for what we know so far, this is results on a test level:
For example, if I am running 32-bit Chrome on my desktop (AMD A10-5700 as CPU), I will always get that result of "946 ticks". But if I run on Firefox or Internet Explorer instead I always get the result of "794 ticks".
Actionscript doesn't really have a math specification in that sense. This is the closest you'll get:
https://help.adobe.com/en_US/FlashPlatform/reference/actionscript/3/Math.html
It says at the bottom of the top section:
The Math functions acos, asin, atan, atan2, cos, exp, log, pow, sin, and sqrt may result in slightly different values depending on the algorithms used by the CPU or operating system. Flash runtimes call on the CPU (or operating system if the CPU doesn't support floating point calculations) when performing the calculations for the listed functions, and results have shown slight variations depending upon the CPU or operating system in use.
So to answer our two questions:
What does it say about accuracy? Nothing, actually. At no point does it mention a limit to how inaccurate a result can be.
What does it say about determinism? Hardware and operating system are definitely factors, so it is platform-dependent. No confirmation for other factors.
If you want to look any deeper, you're on your own.
According to the docs, Actionscript has a catch-all Number data type in addition to int and uint types:
The Number data type uses the 64-bit double-precision format as specified by the IEEE Standard for Binary Floating-Point Arithmetic (IEEE-754). This standard dictates how floating-point numbers are stored using the 64 available bits. One bit is used to designate whether the number is positive or negative. Eleven bits are used for the exponent, which is stored as base 2. The remaining 52 bits are used to store the significand (also called mantissa), the number that is raised to the power indicated by the exponent.
By using some of its bits to store an exponent, the Number data type can store floating-point numbers significantly larger than if it used all of its bits for the significand. For example, if the Number data type used all 64 bits to store the significand, it could store a number as large as 265 – 1. By using 11 bits to store an exponent, the Number data type can raise its significand to a power of 21023.
Although this range of numbers is enormous, it comes at the cost of precision. Because the Number data type uses 52 bits to store the significand, numbers that require more than 52 bits for accurate representation, such as the fraction 1/3, are only approximations. If your application requires absolute precision with decimal numbers, use software that implements decimal floating-point arithmetic as opposed to binary floating-point arithmetic.
This could account for the varying results you're seeing.
I understand basic binary logic and how to do basic addition, subtraction etc. I get that each of the characters in this text is just a binary number representing a number in a charset. The numbers dont really mean anything to the computer. I'm confused however as to how a computer works out that a number is greater than another. what does it do at the bit level?
If you have two numbers, you can compare each bit, from most significant to least significant, using a 1-bit comparator gate:
Of course n-bit comparator gates exist and are described further here.
It subtracts one from the other and sees if the result is less than 0 (by checking the highest-order bit, which is 1 on a number less than 0 since computers use 2's complement notation).
http://academic.evergreen.edu/projects/biophysics/technotes/program/2s_comp.htm
It substracts the two numbers and checks if the result is positive, negative (highest bit - aka "the minus bit" is set), or zero.
Within the processor, often there will be microcode to do operations, using hardwired options, such as add/subtract, that is already there.
So, to do a comparison of an integer the microcode can just do a subtraction, and based on the result determine if one is greater than the other.
Microcode is basically just low-level programs that will be called by assembly, to make it look like there are more commands than is actually hardwired on the processor.
You may find this useful:
http://www.osdata.com/topic/language/asm/intarith.htm
I guess it does a bitwise comparison of two numbers from the most significant bit to the least significant bit, and when they differ, the number with the bit set to "1" is the greater.
In a Big-endian architecture, the comparison of the following Bytes:
A: 0010 1101
B: 0010 1010
would result in A being greatest than B for its 6th bit (from the left) is set to one, while the precedent bits are equal to B.
But this is just a quick theoretic answer, with no concerns about floating point numbers and negative numbers.
In the Kademlia protocol node IDs are 160 bit numbers. Nodes are stored in buckets, bucket 0 stores all the nodes which have the same ID as this node except for the very last bit, bucket 1 stores all the nodes which have the same ID as this node except for the last 2 bits, and so on for all 160 buckets.
What's the fastest way to find which bucket I should put a new node into?
I have my buckets simply stored in an array, and need a method like so:
Bucket[] buckets; //array with 160 items
public Bucket GetBucket(Int160 myId, Int160 otherId)
{
//some stuff goes here
}
The obvious approach is to work down from the most significant bit, comparing bit by bit until I find a difference, I'm hoping there is a better approach based around clever bit twiddling.
Practical note:
My Int160 is stored in a byte array with 20 items, solutions which work well with that kind of structure will be preferred.
Would you be willing to consider an array of 5 32-bit integers? (or 3 64-bit integers)? Working with whole words may give you better performance than working with bytes, but the method should work in any case.
XOR the corresponding words of the two node IDs, starting with the most significant. If the XOR result is zero, move on to the next most significant word.
Otherwise, find the most significant bit that is set in this XOR result using the constant time method from Hacker's Delight.. This algorithm results in 32 (64) if the most significant bit is set, and 1 if the least significant bit is set, and so on. This index, combined with the index of the current word, will will tell you which bit is different.
For starters you could compare byte-by-byte (or word-by-word), and when you find a difference search within that byte (or word) for the first bit of difference.
It seems vaguely implausible to me that adding a node to an array of buckets will be so fast that it matters whether you do clever bit-twiddling to find the first bit of difference within a byte (or word), or just churn in a loop up to CHAR_BIT (or something). Possible, though.
Also, if IDs are essentially random with uniform distribution, then you will find a difference in the first 8 bits about 255/256 of the time. If all you care about is average-case behaviour, not worst-case, then just do the stupid thing: it's very unlikely that your loop will run for long.
For reference, though, the first bit of difference between numbers x and y is the first bit set in x ^ y. If you were programming in GNU C, __builtin_clz might be your friend. Or possibly __builtin_ctz, I'm kind of sleepy...
Your code looks like Java, though, so I guess the bitfoo you're looking for is integer log.
A long time ago, I bought a data structures book off the bargain table for $1.25. In it, the explanation for a hashing function said that it should ultimately mod by a prime number because of "the nature of math".
What do you expect from a $1.25 book?
Anyway, I've had years to think about the nature of math, and still can't figure it out.
Is the distribution of numbers truly more even when there are a prime number of buckets?
Or is this an old programmer's tale that everyone accepts because everybody else accepts it?
Usually a simple hash function works by taking the "component parts" of the input (characters in the case of a string), and multiplying them by the powers of some constant, and adding them together in some integer type. So for example a typical (although not especially good) hash of a string might be:
(first char) + k * (second char) + k^2 * (third char) + ...
Then if a bunch of strings all having the same first char are fed in, then the results will all be the same modulo k, at least until the integer type overflows.
[As an example, Java's string hashCode is eerily similar to this - it does the characters reverse order, with k=31. So you get striking relationships modulo 31 between strings that end the same way, and striking relationships modulo 2^32 between strings that are the same except near the end. This doesn't seriously mess up hashtable behaviour.]
A hashtable works by taking the modulus of the hash over the number of buckets.
It's important in a hashtable not to produce collisions for likely cases, since collisions reduce the efficiency of the hashtable.
Now, suppose someone puts a whole bunch of values into a hashtable that have some relationship between the items, like all having the same first character. This is a fairly predictable usage pattern, I'd say, so we don't want it to produce too many collisions.
It turns out that "because of the nature of maths", if the constant used in the hash, and the number of buckets, are coprime, then collisions are minimised in some common cases. If they are not coprime, then there are some fairly simple relationships between inputs for which collisions are not minimised. All the hashes come out equal modulo the common factor, which means they'll all fall into the 1/n th of the buckets which have that value modulo the common factor. You get n times as many collisions, where n is the common factor. Since n is at least 2, I'd say it's unacceptable for a fairly simple use case to generate at least twice as many collisions as normal. If some user is going to break our distribution into buckets, we want it to be a freak accident, not some simple predictable usage.
Now, hashtable implementations obviously have no control over the items put into them. They can't prevent them being related. So the thing to do is to ensure that the constant and the bucket counts are coprime. That way you aren't relying on the "last" component alone to determine the modulus of the bucket with respect to some small common factor. As far as I know they don't have to be prime to achieve this, just coprime.
But if the hash function and the hashtable are written independently, then the hashtable doesn't know how the hash function works. It might be using a constant with small factors. If you're lucky it might work completely differently and be nonlinear. If the hash is good enough, then any bucket count is just fine. But a paranoid hashtable can't assume a good hash function, so should use a prime number of buckets. Similarly a paranoid hash function should use a largeish prime constant, to reduce the chance that someone uses a number of buckets which happens to have a common factor with the constant.
In practice, I think it's fairly normal to use a power of 2 as the number of buckets. This is convenient and saves having to search around or pre-select a prime number of the right magnitude. So you rely on the hash function not to use even multipliers, which is generally a safe assumption. But you can still get occasional bad hashing behaviours based on hash functions like the one above, and prime bucket count could help further.
Putting about the principle that "everything has to be prime" is as far as I know a sufficient but not a necessary condition for good distribution over hashtables. It allows everybody to interoperate without needing to assume that the others have followed the same rule.
[Edit: there's another, more specialized reason to use a prime number of buckets, which is if you handle collisions with linear probing. Then you calculate a stride from the hashcode, and if that stride comes out to be a factor of the bucket count then you can only do (bucket_count / stride) probes before you're back where you started. The case you most want to avoid is stride = 0, of course, which must be special-cased, but to avoid also special-casing bucket_count / stride equal to a small integer, you can just make the bucket_count prime and not care what the stride is provided it isn't 0.]
The first thing you do when inserting/retreiving from hash table is to calculate the hashCode for the given key and then find the correct bucket by trimming the hashCode to the size of the hashTable by doing hashCode % table_length. Here are 2 'statements' that you most probably have read somewhere
If you use a power of 2 for table_length, finding (hashCode(key) % 2^n ) is as simple and quick as (hashCode(key) & (2^n -1)). But if your function to calculate hashCode for a given key isn't good, you will definitely suffer from clustering of many keys in a few hash buckets.
But if you use prime numbers for table_length, hashCodes calculated could map into the different hash buckets even if you have a slightly stupid hashCode function.
And here is the proof.
If suppose your hashCode function results in the following hashCodes among others {x , 2x, 3x, 4x, 5x, 6x...}, then all these are going to be clustered in just m number of buckets, where m = table_length/GreatestCommonFactor(table_length, x). (It is trivial to verify/derive this). Now you can do one of the following to avoid clustering
Make sure that you don't generate too many hashCodes that are multiples of another hashCode like in {x, 2x, 3x, 4x, 5x, 6x...}.But this may be kind of difficult if your hashTable is supposed to have millions of entries.
Or simply make m equal to the table_length by making GreatestCommonFactor(table_length, x) equal to 1, i.e by making table_length coprime with x. And if x can be just about any number then make sure that table_length is a prime number.
From - http://srinvis.blogspot.com/2006/07/hash-table-lengths-and-prime-numbers.html
http://computinglife.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/why-do-hash-functions-use-prime-numbers/
Pretty clear explanation, with pictures too.
Edit: As a summary, primes are used because you have the best chance of obtaining a unique value when multiplying values by the prime number chosen and adding them all up. For example given a string, multiplying each letter value with the prime number and then adding those all up will give you its hash value.
A better question would be, why exactly the number 31?
Just to put down some thoughts gathered from the answers.
Hashing uses modulus so any value can fit into a given range
We want to randomize collisions
Randomize collision meaning there are no patterns as how collisions would happen, or, changing a small part in input would result a completely different hash value
To randomize collision, avoid using the base (10 in decimal, 16 in hex) as modulus, because 11 % 10 -> 1, 21 % 10 -> 1, 31 % 10 -> 1, it shows a clear pattern of hash value distribution: value with same last digits will collide
Avoid using powers of base (10^2, 10^3, 10^n) as modulus because it also creates a pattern: value with same last n digits matters will collide
Actually, avoid using any thing that has factors other than itself and 1, because it creates a pattern: multiples of a factor will be hashed into selected values
For example, 9 has 3 as factor, thus 3, 6, 9, ...999213 will always be hashed into 0, 3, 6
12 has 3 and 2 as factor, thus 2n will always be hashed into 0, 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, and 3n will always be hashed into 0, 3, 6, 9
This will be a problem if input is not evenly distributed, e.g. if many values are of 3n, then we only get 1/3 of all possible hash values and collision is high
So by using a prime as a modulus, the only pattern is that multiple of the modulus will always hash into 0, otherwise hash values distributions are evenly spread
tl;dr
index[hash(input)%2] would result in a collision for half of all possible hashes and a range of values. index[hash(input)%prime] results in a collision of <2 of all possible hashes. Fixing the divisor to the table size also ensures that the number cannot be greater than the table.
Primes are used because you have good chances of obtaining a unique value for a typical hash-function which uses polynomials modulo P.
Say, you use such hash-function for strings of length <= N, and you have a collision. That means that 2 different polynomials produce the same value modulo P. The difference of those polynomials is again a polynomial of the same degree N (or less). It has no more than N roots (this is here the nature of math shows itself, since this claim is only true for a polynomial over a field => prime number). So if N is much less than P, you are likely not to have a collision. After that, experiment can probably show that 37 is big enough to avoid collisions for a hash-table of strings which have length 5-10, and is small enough to use for calculations.
Just to provide an alternate viewpoint there's this site:
http://www.codexon.com/posts/hash-functions-the-modulo-prime-myth
Which contends that you should use the largest number of buckets possible as opposed to to rounding down to a prime number of buckets. It seems like a reasonable possibility. Intuitively, I can certainly see how a larger number of buckets would be better, but I'm unable to make a mathematical argument of this.
It depends on the choice of hash function.
Many hash functions combine the various elements in the data by multiplying them with some factors modulo the power of two corresponding to the word size of the machine (that modulus is free by just letting the calculation overflow).
You don't want any common factor between a multiplier for a data element and the size of the hash table, because then it could happen that varying the data element doesn't spread the data over the whole table. If you choose a prime for the size of the table such a common factor is highly unlikely.
On the other hand, those factors are usually made up from odd primes, so you should also be safe using powers of two for your hash table (e.g. Eclipse uses 31 when it generates the Java hashCode() method).
Copying from my other answer https://stackoverflow.com/a/43126969/917428. See it for more details and examples.
I believe that it just has to do with the fact that computers work with in base 2. Just think at how the same thing works for base 10:
8 % 10 = 8
18 % 10 = 8
87865378 % 10 = 8
It doesn't matter what the number is: as long as it ends with 8, its modulo 10 will be 8.
Picking a big enough, non-power-of-two number will make sure the hash function really is a function of all the input bits, rather than a subset of them.
"The nature of math" regarding prime power moduli is that they are one building block of a finite field. The other two building blocks are an addition and a multiplication operation. The special property of prime moduli is that they form a finite field with the "regular" addition and multiplication operations, just taken to the modulus. This means every multiplication maps to a different integer modulo the prime, so does every addition.
Prime moduli are advantageous because:
They give the most freedom when choosing the secondary multiplier in secondary hashing, all multipliers except 0 will end up visiting all elements exactly once
If all hashes are less than the modulus there will be no collisions at all
Random primes mix better than power of two moduli and compress the information of all the bits not just a subset
They however have a big downside, they require an integer division, which takes many (~ 15-40) cycles, even on a modern CPU. With around half the computation one can make sure the hash is mixed up very well. Two multiplications and xorshift operations will mix better than a prime moudulus. Then we can use whatever hash table size and hash reduction is fastest, giving 7 operations in total for power of 2 table sizes and around 9 operations for arbitrary sizes.
I recently looked at many of the fastest hash table implementations and most of them don't use prime moduli.
The distribution of the hash table indices are mainly dependent on the hash function in use. A prime modulus can't fix a bad hash function and a good hash function does not benefit from a prime modulus. There are cases where they can be advantageous however. It can mend a half-bad hash function for example.
Primes are unique numbers. They are
unique in that, the product of a prime
with any other number has the best
chance of being unique (not as unique
as the prime itself of-course) due to
the fact that a prime is used to
compose it. This property is used in
hashing functions.
Given a string “Samuel”, you can
generate a unique hash by multiply
each of the constituent digits or
letters with a prime number and adding
them up. This is why primes are used.
However using primes is an old
technique. The key here to understand
that as long as you can generate a
sufficiently unique key you can move
to other hashing techniques too. Go
here for more on this topic about
http://www.azillionmonkeys.com/qed/hash.html
http://computinglife.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/why-do-hash-functions-use-prime-numbers/
Suppose your table-size (or the number for modulo) is T = (B*C). Now if hash for your input is like (N*A*B) where N can be any integer, then your output won't be well distributed. Because every time n becomes C, 2C, 3C etc., your output will start repeating. i.e. your output will be distributed only in C positions. Note that C here is (T / HCF(table-size, hash)).
This problem can be eliminated by making HCF 1. Prime numbers are very good for that.
Another interesting thing is when T is 2^N. These will give output exactly same as all the lower N bits of input-hash. As every number can be represented powers of 2, when we will take modulo of any number with T, we will subtract all powers of 2 form number, which are >= N, hence always giving off number of specific pattern, dependent on the input. This is also a bad choice.
Similarly, T as 10^N is bad as well because of similar reasons (pattern in decimal notation of numbers instead of binary).
So, prime numbers tend to give a better distributed results, hence are good choice for table size.
I would say the first answer at this link is the clearest answer I found regarding this question.
Consider the set of keys K = {0,1,...,100} and a hash table where the number of buckets is m = 12. Since 3 is a factor of 12, the keys that are multiples of 3 will be hashed to buckets that are multiples of 3:
Keys {0,12,24,36,...} will be hashed to bucket 0.
Keys {3,15,27,39,...} will be hashed to bucket 3.
Keys {6,18,30,42,...} will be hashed to bucket 6.
Keys {9,21,33,45,...} will be hashed to bucket 9.
If K is uniformly distributed (i.e., every key in K is equally likely to occur), then the choice of m is not so critical. But, what happens if K is not uniformly distributed? Imagine that the keys that are most likely to occur are the multiples of 3. In this case, all of the buckets that are not multiples of 3 will be empty with high probability (which is really bad in terms of hash table performance).
This situation is more common that it may seem. Imagine, for instance, that you are keeping track of objects based on where they are stored in memory. If your computer's word size is four bytes, then you will be hashing keys that are multiples of 4. Needless to say that choosing m to be a multiple of 4 would be a terrible choice: you would have 3m/4 buckets completely empty, and all of your keys colliding in the remaining m/4 buckets.
In general:
Every key in K that shares a common factor with the number of buckets m will be hashed to a bucket that is a multiple of this factor.
Therefore, to minimize collisions, it is important to reduce the number of common factors between m and the elements of K. How can this be achieved? By choosing m to be a number that has very few factors: a prime number.
FROM THE ANSWER BY Mario.
I'd like to add something for Steve Jessop's answer(I can't comment on it since I don't have enough reputation). But I found some helpful material. His answer is very help but he made a mistake: the bucket size should not be a power of 2. I'll just quote from the book "Introduction to Algorithm" by Thomas Cormen, Charles Leisersen, et al on page263:
When using the division method, we usually avoid certain values of m. For example, m should not be a power of 2, since if m = 2^p, then h(k) is just the p lowest-order bits of k. Unless we know that all low-order p-bit patterns are equally likely, we are better off designing the hash function to depend on all the bits of the key. As Exercise 11.3-3 asks you to show, choosing m = 2^p-1 when k is a character string interpreted in radix 2^p may be a poor choice, because permuting the characters of k does not change its hash value.
Hope it helps.
This question was merged with the more appropriate question, why hash tables should use prime sized arrays, and not power of 2.
For hash functions itself there are plenty of good answers here, but for the related question, why some security-critical hash tables, like glibc, use prime-sized arrays, there's none yet.
Generally power of 2 tables are much faster. There the expensive h % n => h & bitmask, where the bitmask can be calculated via clz ("count leading zeros") of the size n. A modulo function needs to do integer division which is about 50x slower than a logical and. There are some tricks to avoid a modulo, like using Lemire's https://lemire.me/blog/2016/06/27/a-fast-alternative-to-the-modulo-reduction/, but generally fast hash tables use power of 2, and secure hash tables use primes.
Why so?
Security in this case is defined by attacks on the collision resolution strategy, which is with most hash tables just linear search in a linked list of collisions. Or with the faster open-addressing tables linear search in the table directly. So with power of 2 tables and some internal knowledge of the table, e.g. the size or the order of the list of keys provided by some JSON interface, you get the number of right bits used. The number of ones on the bitmask. This is typically lower than 10 bits. And for 5-10 bits it's trivial to brute force collisions even with the strongest and slowest hash functions. You don't get the full security of your 32bit or 64 bit hash functions anymore. And the point is to use fast small hash functions, not monsters such as murmur or even siphash.
So if you provide an external interface to your hash table, like a DNS resolver, a programming language, ... you want to care about abuse folks who like to DOS such services. It's normally easier for such folks to shut down your public service with much easier methods, but it did happen. So people did care.
So the best options to prevent from such collision attacks is either
1) to use prime tables, because then
all 32 or 64 bits are relevant to find the bucket, not just a few.
the hash table resize function is more natural than just double. The best growth function is the fibonacci sequence and primes come closer to that than doubling.
2) use better measures against the actual attack, together with fast power of 2 sizes.
count the collisions and abort or sleep on detected attacks, which is collision numbers with a probability of <1%. Like 100 with 32bit hash tables. This is what e.g. djb's dns resolver does.
convert the linked list of collisions to tree's with O(log n) search not O(n) when an collision attack is detected. This is what e.g. java does.
There's a wide-spread myth that more secure hash functions help to prevent such attacks, which is wrong as I explained. There's no security with low bits only. This would only work with prime-sized tables, but this would use a combination of the two slowest methods, slow hash plus slow prime modulo.
Hash functions for hash tables primarily need to be small (to be inlinable) and fast. Security can come only from preventing linear search in the collisions. And not to use trivially bad hash functions, like ones insensitive to some values (like \0 when using multiplication).
Using random seeds is also a good option, people started with that first, but with enough information of the table even a random seed does not help much, and dynamic languages typically make it trivial to get the seed via other methods, as it's stored in known memory locations.
For a hash function it's not only important to minimize colisions generally but to make it impossible to stay with the same hash while chaning a few bytes.
Say you have an equation:
(x + y*z) % key = x with 0<x<key and 0<z<key.
If key is a primenumber n*y=key is true for every n in N and false for every other number.
An example where key isn't a prime example:
x=1, z=2 and key=8
Because key/z=4 is still a natural number, 4 becomes a solution for our equation and in this case (n/2)*y = key is true for every n in N. The amount of solutions for the equation have practially doubled because 8 isn't a prime.
If our attacker already knows that 8 is possible solution for the equation he can change the file from producing 8 to 4 and still gets the same hash.
I've read the popular wordpress website linked in some of the above popular answers at the top. From what I've understood, I'd like to share a simple observation I made.
You can find all the details in the article here, but assume the following holds true:
Using a prime number gives us the "best chance" of an unique value
A general hashmap implementation wants 2 things to be unique.
Unique hash code for the key
Unique index to store the actual value
How do we get the unique index? By making the initial size of the internal container a prime as well. So basically, prime is involved because it possesses this unique trait of producing unique numbers which we end up using to ID objects and finding indexes inside the internal container.
Example:
key = "key"
value = "value"
uniqueId = "k" * 31 ^ 2 +
"e" * 31 ^ 1` +
"y"
maps to unique id
Now we want a unique location for our value - so we
uniqueId % internalContainerSize == uniqueLocationForValue , assuming internalContainerSize is also a prime.
I know this is simplified, but I'm hoping to get the general idea through.