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I want to learn the basic concepts like collision detection, rendering and others in a general way (keeping the library usage minimum). I believe that once my basic concepts are clear, it would help me in learning different libraries easily, like OpenGL, etc.
I know without libraries it will take long time to build things. I am doing this for learning so I don't care about productivity.
I would love if the solution is using JavaScript (HTML5 Canvas) or C/C++ (DOS mode) since I believe I will have to deal with a bit of low level stuff which would help me in learning. Other solutions are also welcome. I know Java as well.
Note: 2D games are sufficient for me.
Good question - A decent place to start is
http://www.gameinstitute.com/
They have some pretty fun courses, no time limit and a decent forum. I actually met some good local dev's there and since have done some stuff together.
I'd also look at getting into the yearly Global Game Jam (http://globalgamejam.org/).
It's a really great experience for novice and professional devs. You can also meet local people.
I mention "local people" cause sometimes its very difficult to do a game on your own - it really helps to have people to collaborate with. Though it brings in problems of its own (schedule conflicts, motivation, etc).
I'd take a look at the following books:
http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Guide-Video-Writing-Design/dp/158065066X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1306204693&sr=8-2
http://www.amazon.com/Game-Design-Workshop-Second-Playcentric/dp/0240809742/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1306204693&sr=8-8
http://www.amazon.com/Masters-Doom-Created-Transformed-Culture/dp/0812972155/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1306204765&sr=8-2
http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Game-Example-Mat-Buckland/dp/1556220782/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1306204779&sr=8-1
http://www.amazon.com/Game-Engine-Architecture-Jason-Gregory/dp/1568814135/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1306204798&sr=8-1
This are just a few books on the top of my head that I've enjoyed in my travels.
I'd focus on a language like python that'll get you up and running quickly. Not C++ - I think you lose a lot of productivity on the language it self, templates, smart pointers, vtables, etc. And then you have all the different version of DX, Win32 GDI etc. I think you'll be more productive in a different language. Maybe lua + python?
Also, I'd seriously look into mastering an engine. I wrote my own, and it was a great journey, but we never completed the GAME! We spent 6 months writing the engine, 2 months writing the game and got burnt out. Next time I'd use an engine for sure!
Unity3D works on iphone, web, desktop.
Torque is another leader, though I didn't find this one as slick as Unity.
Cocos2d is a iphone specific framework, based on a python framework. Really slick.
Another option is taking an existing game that allows Mods (HL2, Quake, etc) and build some mods for it. You can probably find tons of forums and groups already doing it and perhaps contribute to an existing project or start your own.
Another really gnalry idea would to be to get the Blue Book
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0321498828/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=032117383X&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=01F2GM7XZD56GCFW0AJT
And don't stop till you understand and have worked through it!!! You'd be a pretty good openGL / C coder by the time you made it through that book (cover to cover). Set aside a few months...heh.
Don't forget - you can always start with paper-prototyping games, you don't have to start building computer games.
Good luck!
I think you should focus on making games that are fun. Yes, you'll understand more as you work with low-level tools. However, you'll understand more about making fun games as you make more games.
Make a list of ideas for games.
Go down that list and pare things
down until they can be implemented
in 16 hours of work or so.
Pick one of the ideas, and learn
new libraries, technologies, et
cetera as you go. Don't overengineer your game.
Let other people play it. Try to
get honest feedback.
Improve your game. Stop when you
need to start from scratch to
improve it.
Go back to step 3, and try not to
make the same mistakes :)
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I've been coding since my early teenager years. I started out with HTML, went on to PHP/MySQL (created my own forums, social networking sites, etc..) and then branched out into more traditional languages such as Java and C++ (also picked up a little VB .NET in high school). I'm most familiar now with C++ as that is the language of choice taught to us in Computer Science II (skipped Comp Sci I) at RPI. I now feel like I have a very good knowledge of how to program from this class (the homework assignments were brutal).
It is now summer and I am interning at a company that is providing me some level of new experiences with programming, but I want more. I want to feel the incredible satisfaction that I got out of my computer classes at RPI whenever I finished a long assignment (generating every possible wordsearch from a set of words to include and exclude comes to mind).
My question is, where do I go from here? I tried following a tutorials online, but they were all too simple. I then tried heading over to sourceforge and helping out with various projects. But, as soon as I downloaded the code I got lost in its complexity. I have never created actual software of a real life applicapable scale. And I don't know where to get started. How do you transition from programming knowledge to actuall creation of software?
I'm also open to learning new languages (javascript/jQuery, ASP .NET, C#, Python), or using new libraries and/or frameworks with c++ (we only used the STL in Comp Sci II) and other languages. Again my question is, where do I go from here? And I am welcome to all possible answers.
Thanks Much,
Michael
You could join a big open source project, you'll learn a lot and accomplish something cool.
EDIT after comment: If this is too complicated for you, try starting a "real" project. I say "real" because it should be something that you want to do, not a "create a blog" or "how to do a loop". For instance last year I created a fully functional project management system that I now use for some of my projects. If this is real, you will be more motivated and you will want to get this done.
Pick the technology you want for it. I'd recommend Ruby on Rails because it's awesome and full of interesting concepts that will improve the way you code overtime (DRY, RESTful, MVC...)... but you can pick whatever you want.
Try to create your project using what you know and basic tutorials. You will get stuck and have to learn some more in order to get the features you want going. To me that's the best way to improve the way you code and general programming knowledge.
Since you'll start the project from scratch, you'll see where to start and how this will evolve. I'll take the project management tool. We started with "A project has todos" and we ended up with all kind of other features such as a complex calendar, a full ajax interface, a embedded chat...
Once you see how you did this, try doing the same with a friend of yours to get a fealing of teamwork in development. Learn how to use SVN, basecamp... learn about software development processes (Agile!), peer programming..
There's a lot to experience! Then you could give open source another try.
Hope that helps
I'd recommend trying a pure functional language, such as Haskell. It's a completely different way of looking at programming, and I found it very satisfying.
I recommend the book Real World Haskell for learning it.
Edit: In response to comments, my interpretation of the question is where can he go from here as a programmer. Functional programming is a logical direction. For someone learning functional programming for the first time, Haskell is nice because it doesn't really allow for imperative programming practices. Furthermore, it has basically all features you will find in other functional languages, which means it will be easy to pick up other functional languages.
I would suggest looking at Project Euler. It's a great and fun way to learn a new language, and it does provide that level of satisfaction when you solve the problems. They offer a huge range of problems at all levels of difficulty.
I think the best way to improve your skills as a programmer is to do what programming was intended for: solve problems. I'm sure you've been playing around on your machine and at one time thought to yourself "I wish there was a program that did this..." or "I wonder if there are any programs that do X..." Instead of just googling to see if someone else wrote it, write it yourself. Start with something small, and gradually make it more complex. Add features. Allow yourself to fail, and when you do, ask yourself (or us at stackoverflow) how to overcome that obstacle. Once you have the basics of programming, everything else is just making big things out of littler things, and the little things are usually pretty easy.
When you are making something you know you will actually use, it's more fun and more gratifying when you finish.
Do you understand all of the following and how they work?
Linked lists (single and double)
Sequential vs. binary search
Binary trees
Stacks
Red-black trees
Algorithmic complexity and big O notation
Recursion
Hash tables and hashing algorithms
If you don't feel completely conversant in any of these, take a class in data structures and algorithms.
It seems like you've experienced many languages, but have not created a real-world application. Creating software in any of those languages will bring you to a new level.
PS: Creating software is much more than just knowing how to mess around with a language.
Check out Design Patterns.
I believe that's beyond mere simple coding.
You could offer your abilities to a non profit or a friend or someone who needs a website or program built.
Tell them you can do it for free and then just go for it. As you start to make it you'll start to see what you need to learn.
For example I bit ago I had the program Peel www.getpeel.com on my Mac. But sold my Mac for Wind as I am traveling.
Seeing that there was nothing for Windows (or nothing I could find) like Peel. I build my own in PHP and am up to a 4th rebuilding of it as I learn betters ways to do each new thing I am learning.
You've got to find a particular type of functionality that interests you. For me it's been basic socket programming and making my own protocols. I got that feeling when I was able to create a functional file uploading control that worked in conjunction with a file upload service on the server which I had created. The protocol handles authentication, chunking and hash comparison. Sometime soon I plan on incorporating file-resume functionality as well.
Well my advice will be to find a problem/project you are interested in and try to code it. Trying a real problem is something that drives you. Find something not to complex but not too simple. Something to try when starting a new language is to write some tools. You can for example program a python script that print metrics on a C++ project. You can write a tool that extract some statistics from a website you use, etc. When I learn programming game programming was quite fun (I was young :-) ). You can try to program some simple game using a 3D engine like Ogre3D for example. Participate in an opensource project is great too but as you stated perhaps a bit overwhelming for now ;-)
Find something you like and that has a REAL useful goal for you. You will thrive to solve the problem and learn a lot along the way !
I think the transition from the kind of finite tractable problems that are part of class projects (and some internships) to "real world" projects is quite tough. Sounds like language syntax, getting bugs out of code etc. is something you are comforatble with.
When we come to larger projects, probably with many release cycles, with developers working together, different kinds of problems emerge. I remember being shocked when I saw my first big project plan - what a small propertion of the time was actually writing code!
The thing I found helpful as a junior was "Sitting By Nelly", I was lucky enough to work for enlighted employers who put me with very experienced and helpful developers. Sometimes to work with, sometime to work alongside. I reckon that helped me get over the hurdles you describe.
So, I reckon you need to find employment of this kind. Be less concerned about specific technologies, salary etc. Look instead for the culture and level of responsibility you would have.
I think you should really start a "real world application" as suggested here. You will see that a real project requires a bit more than just knowing the language.
I suggest you find some simple problem you had issue with, and make a software that solves that issue.
For example, if you want some kind of software that checks RSS feeds every 5 minutes and makes a little pop-up as soon as a new one comes along. Or you want a program that will let you do simple presentations by just dragging a few pictures in.
Then whatever you choose, start by making the simple solution to the problem and extend from there (like do different settings, extra features etc.)
I've looked for the answer to this question for a while now. Most all of the suggestions are usually either help an open source project or build something that interests you. I'm starting to realize that those answers are vague because what's 'interesting' or 'valuable' experience and how to get started doing it is completely subjective. Also, there's only one way to get real experience, which is to work on real projects. It's difficult but find a project, personal, open source, or otherwise that will increase your knowledge in a technology or platform that you think will hold your interest. Then just dig in. It doesn't have to be of earth shattering importance, just valuable in relation to your own goals.
There is no magic bullet transition from academic puzzle solving programs to real world applications. The best way to learn is just to jump in head first. It will take you a very long time to learn what you need to if you only ever look at your own code. You need to be looking at code written by professionals and struggling to understand why it works the way it does until you do understand it.
It seems overwhelming at first, but you will quickly start to see patterns if the application is at all logical. Well written code will be separated in logical ways, so you should be able to pick it apart one layer at a time.
For example, you could try a bottom up approach where you try to understand how the database interactions are handled before looking at the code that uses the database layer. You keep going upward until you get to the GUI event handlers.
Large enterprise applications can be even harder to understand because there might be a lot more than one executable, or component. Try to stay focused and learn what the component is responsible for doing, and then pick it apart a piece at a time.
You will see that there are not just patterns at the function and class level, but at higher levels as well. This makes it simpler to understand what is going on when you understand those patterns.
Try to find an internship or co-op position. I was in a similar situation after my first few courses. I took a co-op position sophomore year and I learned so much more on the job than I did in class. Class is great for teaching you theory and the basics. I learned C# on my first project on my co-op and that got me my second co-op position at another employer (wanted to see how it was working at a small company).
This past spring, I accepted a position at my first co-op employer, reworking my first major project I had started on my co-op. I have a list of side projects I also want to complete, which will help round out my skills, as well as learn some other languages.
So my suggestion is try finding a job where you can have a great mentor. On my second co-op, I learned alot of the coding standards that I code against from my supervisor. He was a great teacher, and really had some great input, and explained why things should be done certain ways.
You will almost certainly go nowhere unless you find something that interests you. Figure out what is interesting, and then how to write software involving it.
The only way to begin is to begin! There is really no other way... The best answers you get would always tell you this. You have the knowledge, now put it to work!
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Does anyone have any idea how it would be possible to transition from business to game programming? How would anyone get a start in game programming? It seems much more exciting and rewarding (better paying too?). But it seems like most of the jobs out of school are for business programming. Any advice or insight on how to do it or if it can be done?
This is not a direct answer to your question, "How can I transition?" But instead I'd like to recommend you not go down that road or at least be realistic about what it is like. To back that up I'll quote some stats from the 2004 igda survey on quality of life for game developers:
34.3% of developers expect to leave the industry within 5 years, and
51.2% within 10 years.
Only 3.4% said that their coworkers averaged 10 or
more years of experience.
Crunch time
is omnipresent, during which
respondents work 65 to 80 hours a
week (35.2%). The average crunch work
week exceeds 80 hours (13%). Overtime
is often uncompensated (46.8%).
44%
of developers claim they could use
more people or special skills on
their projects.
Spouses are likely to
respond that "You work too much..."
(61.5%); "You are always stressed
out." (43.5%); "You don't make enough
money." (35.6%).
Contrary to
expectations, more people said that
games were only one of many career
options for them (34%) than said
games were their only choice (32%).
Many years ago I created a couple of game development websites on my own and then was one of the founders of GameDev.net. One of the reasons I did it was to make contacts and get into game development professionally. It definitely worked, a couple of the people who were co-founders have gone on to work in the industry and I'm sure I could have gone that way too but everything I learned about the industry taught me the following things:
There is an endless supply of developers out there who believe game development would be really cool. The people hiring for the industry know this and aren't going to pay you nearly as well because they rely on this basically inexhaustible pool of people.
Many of the developers within the industry may be good with 3D or sound or many other topics but often they are inexperienced with basic software practices that you or I might consider essential. In that category I would put things like source control, test first design, design patterns, etc. Even when they know better the time crunch to get stuff out the door often makes them toss good software practices in a foolish attempt to save time.
Working on a game for two years can quickly become no different than working on any other program for two years. That is, when you have to dig around in the guts of the program day after day and deal with its bugs and only with that one game it's not going to seem all that fun anymore. In fact, you may find yourself playing other games just to get away from it for a while.
What says you are going to be working on Half-Life X or one of the few dozen cool games that come out every year anyway? Remember, somebody is out there building the game that goes with the next Will Farrell movie and it's probably going to be you. Look around at most of the dreck that comes out. That stuff doesn't develop itself.
It's quite a transition! The biggest difference in mindset is moving away from the business world's reliance on abstraction to one where you're focused much more on the particular hardware you're targeting and getting things to run within strict budgets of time and memory. Game programming is a lot more like embedded programming than it is like web programming -- you have to think about the exact memory footprint of everything and CPU time is at a huge premium.
This is even true of being an MMO server programmer, because a) the server has to answer to each client command within 80 milliseconds to feel responsive, and b) the bigger the footprint of the game on the server, the more hardware you have to buy, and that costs real money.
First up you should learn C++ if you haven't already. Almost every game is written in C or C++ these days. Game consoles have strictly limited memory, and if you allocate one byte past 512mb it doesn't slow down, it crashes; at the same time, each trip through the main app loop has to complete in 33ms or less, so we can't rely on garbage collection and smart pointers. The game-development world is one of those special applications where you really need to do all those optimizations that people here say you never need to do any more.
Also, bone up on your math. Games are built out of linear algebra and kinematics -- not just the graphics, but the state of the world and the behavior of every character and object. I like Eric Lengyel's book for game math; it's been my bible for years (though there are many other good ones).
You could try to learn some graphics math and programming as well, but this is sort of a subspecialty now and typically only a couple of people on a game team are really working at the level of DirectX calls. I suspect you're more interested in game logic and server backend, which is less specialized.
Make games. There are many frameworks to help you get started. XNA has the advantage of being a real-world product that actual games are shipped with, unlike PyGame or SDL which are quick to get up and running but have vanishingly little commercial support.
A common route people take transitioning into the game industry is starting as a game development team's Tools Developer.
These tools are often written in higher level languages like C# and are used to aid in the development of the games. For example, you might help maintain or modify the teams in-house map level editor or help develop the tools that convert one media file format into their propriatary file format.
After you have spent some time as a tools developer you can start picking up domain knowledge on the side and naturally transition into one of the many types of game programmers:
Game physics programmer
Artificial intelligence programmer
Graphics programmer
Sound programmer
Gameplay programmer
Scripter
UI programmer
Input programmer
Network programmer
Game tools programmer
Porting programmer
Technology programmer
Lead game programmer
Modern games are often made by huge and highly fractionated teams in terms of roles. So, it might be worth it to pick one of the above specialities and begin studying right away as you attempt to get your foot in the door. It almost goes without saying that you should be proficient in C++ and one of the major graphics libraries (OpenGL, DirectX, etc). Don't stress about learning both, just pick one and learn it. Generally people who know one very well can transition to the other if they need to.
If you're a good programmer you can do it, game programming requires much better understanding of the platforms and tools you use to develop the games.
I think it's much harder to get into the game programming industry than just the regular industry.
The best alternative is to create your own games, get exposure, if you're good enough you'll find your way.
There are many really good competitors though, just check out the many sites that offer free flash games, you can start posting your work to those sites.
The general story is that the way to get into game programming is to start doing it. There's no point in even showing up on a game company's doorstep without a demo of whatever you want them to pay you to do.
If you're coming out of business programming, that'll count against you and be a culture shock besides. The game industry runs on single 20-something males who can be taught that 120-hour work weeks are just how things are done.
I'd recommend keeping your current job for a while and finding a mod team or open source game that could use help. Try to find one that looks likely to create a playable game rather than vanish, at a guess I'd say it will look better on your resume than some test demos both because you'll probably be working on something more advanced than you would at home and it shows you can work in a games team.
I was wondering the same thing!
I've noticed there are a number of good game-programming books at Barnes & Nobles, probably not a bad place to start.
In general though, I'd start looking at books, maybe coding some prototypes, and start looking at what companies are in your area, what tools they use, how you could basically make yourself valuable to them!
By the way, does anyone happen to know if there are particular engines similar to what WOW / Guild Wars are using for MMORPG game development in particular (my main interest)?
I think it is not an easy switch. Game programming is not something you can learn overnight. I suspect an entry level will be quite high if you want more than a graduate salary.
A long time ago I worked in a company that worked in the online gambling field. I then decided I wanted to be engaged in more serious activities.
You really need to answer one question - is that what you want because you like it or just because it seems to be rewarding right now. In the latter case you'll need to understand you'll be plating catch-up and noone can promise the salaries will be as high as you wish by the time you get your skills high.
Maybe consider some certifications/training so that you can step-up your current career position in business programming?
If however it is what you really want then just follow you heart. Show your interest and commitment, potential employers will notice it and hopefully prefer you over a guy who has applied just because the salary was looking attractive.
On the other hand, businees developers/consultants (for example in SAP world) earn quite a generous ransom.
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I guess, the following is a standard problem on every school or university:
It is Your job to teach programming. Unfortunately, some of the students
are semi-professionals and have years of experience while others do not even know the basic concepts, e.g. the concept "typed variable".
As far as I know, this leads to one of the following situations:
Programming is tought from its very basics. The experienced students get bored and discontinue to visit the lectures. As a consequence, they will miss even the stuff they do not already know.
Teachers and professors claim that they require basic knowledge (whatever that means). Inexperienced students cannot follow the lectures and a lot of them will focus on unimportant stuff (e.g. understanding every detail of a complex example while not getting the concept behind the example). Some of them will give up.
Universities invent an artificial programming language to give experienced programmers and newbies "equal chances". Most students will get frustrated about the "useless language".
Is there a fourth solution, which is better than those above?
IMO this is a problem based on the placement of the students, not something you should be too interested in dealing with on your end as a teacher.
If the course is an introduction to programming a computer, then you really need to start with the basics. If you have a classroom full of professionals who know how to program and they don't show, it was either a problem with your course description, or the school forcing them to take the class as a pre-req without allowing them to test out.
Your job should be to describe what you want to teach in the course description, and teach it. If students enroll who are overqualified, that's their problem. I think the only thing you really need to avoid is trying to make the course too advanced for beginners if your course really is for beginners.
I think the best way to keep it interesting is to bring up practical and interesting exercises along the theory. Taking a problem-solution approach is great (with interesting, funny, exciting, real-world problems). This requires the professor himself to have hands-on experience, work with new technologies and know them pretty well and not just teach what he had learned a couple decades ago.
The thing is, programming should be learned by practice. The instructor should focus on motivating students to code and try to solve problems themselves. This can be done by assigning a complete life-like project at the beginning of the course and working through the subproblems that occur in the project in the class. This way, students will have an idea why some specific feature in the programming language exists and where it might be useful.
Just a thought though. Not tried it! ;)
I recently attended a course in which there was a very wide spectrum of experience in programming among the students. They still managed to keep the experienced programmers in the class interested by having an exercise program in which they timed the practical parts of the exercises (the programming part), and posted the results in a high score chart. At the end of each lecture, the professor gave some pointers as to how we could improve our times even more. As we all know, all engineers love competing for topping such lists, so we kept showing up, and even learned a new thing or two.
The inexperienced students managed to complete the exercises too, even if they didn't care too much about their times.
Don't know if your course is one that can implement this solution, but if it is, you should really consider it.
I think there are a couple if things you can do to help bridge the gap between advanced and beginner students and to keep everyone interested and involved in the course.
Advanced Workshops
If it can be arranged (using PHD students etc.) run an optional weekly workshop which anyone can attend, but which is aimed at the more experianced students. Set a code task / challange each week and then at the workshop go through various solutions to the problem and discuss the implications and the theory behind the different choices.
This provides an interesting challange for the more experianced coders as they have something to get thier teeth into. It opens some debate and can help intermediate people grasp interesting concetps and if you get people to present thier solutions, it introduces an open reviewing style which is beneficial. It also helps the beginners in that you don't have to present them with really advanced concepts in the main lecture series just to keep the experienced people interested.
Student Involvement
Experienced people generally are experienced because they enjoy coding etc. and a lot of people love to share their knowledge. A really good way to use this, and to help both beginners and advanced students is to get the more advanced students involved in the teaching. If you run classes/labs where students complete exercises, try getting volunteers from the more experienced students to act as mentors/ supervisors for the labs. When the beginners struggle they can help out by explaining fine details or subtleties etc.
This can really help the beginners, as there are never usually enough staff available for everyone to be able to ask individual questions. It can also really benefit the more advanced people, as having to explain concept which you "know" is a great way to reinforce them in your own mind, and even to discover that you have subtle misunderstandings in your own knowledge.
Don't assume more than you need to; try to select programming environments which don't have too much intellectual baggage. You may think a C "Hello world" program is simple, but that requires understanding source files, compilation, static typing and block structuring. There are not easy concepts for a beginner. In comparison, typing "print 'hello world'" into a Python shell avoids them. Declarations, compound types, object orientation, pointers, floating point, recursion, modularity, threads, callbacks, modularity, networking, databases and so on are all major concepts which require effort to learn. And, there are plenty of fun things to be done without them. Your goal should be to get everyone in the group doing programming exercises as soon as possible.
Mixed ability teaching is hard; stream it by splitting the group up if you can. Maybe publish a quiz of basic concepts, and have an optional basic concepts section for those who didn't get 100%. Some people think they are experienced programmers but have misunderstood basic ideas.
If the course time available is too short to let people try lots of exercises, then I'd drop the more advanced material before I dropped practical work.
In one course I took, a large part of the course grade was derived from a end-of-term project which was announced in advance with extra credit available for assorted add-ons and frills. Sufficiently experienced student could start working on it while their less prepraed brethren were being taught the basics.
But as Dave Markle says, part of this is a matter of getting the right students into your class: you really want a cohort that is fiarly well matched at the start.
If you have many experienced students or this is an upperclassmen/graduate level-course, you should focus on integration into existing ecosystem. Being able to understand and integrate into an existing project rather than to always work from scratch is the most important skills you can give to give to those students.
Thus, programming assignments should come from real world scenarios. E.g., assign them tasks in an open source project. This can also make it more interesting, especially as their work may become part of a real world project.
If it's really beginners, tough luck, you will have to stick to the basics though if the students are non-CS majors, you can create problems from their own domains (e.g., engineering, chemistry, etc.)
I think your could be toast.
After some point, the difference is just to wide. It will take the whole year to get the beginners to the point that they can even understand stuff that wont bore the more advanced people.
However this clearly depends on the topic and setting. For some combinations of those the solution is teach to the level that the class is billed for. Those that are to advance will get board and quit, those that are to inexperienced with fall behind and quit. Don't worry about it to much as neither should have taken the class anyway. If on the other hand they need to take the class then some one further up the ladder messed up.
Sitting in your chair watching someone talk is boring (even if you talk well).
Things are interesting if you can achieve something, when you can manipulate the world and have a moment of success. So add as many practical exercises as you can and make really sure that they can do them in time and that they can do them successfully in time.
Nothing is more frustrating than to hear: "Well, I'm sorry that you couldn't complete it. You can find a solution here. Let's copy that and pretend it did work and move on." Examples during a course are simple and the people in front of you know that. So if they can't even solve the simple examples you bring along for them, what are they going to think?
I always think it is best to learn through practice. At the beginning of the course especially it is incredibly boring to teach language syntax in a lecture. It is far better to require your students to complete some work on their own or in a lab with assistants. This allows the more experienced students to get through the work quickly.
Once this is done you can have a lecture where you discuss some of the solutions to problems. Why they are good and why they are bad.
This works especially well if you also structure your course in such a way that students are always building on their rpevious work. The first week can be something simple like calculate how many days old I am from my birthday. A problem that is relatively simple mathematically but has a few weird cases. This might take several hours for someone inexperienced. Especially if they are learning syntax at the same time. But it gives them a simple goal to work toward.
After this you can expend on it. eg: take lasts weeks program and add functionality that allows it to batch process a file. This teaches people the importance of restructuring and refactoring, and can be expanded week after week. You may even want to distribute a good piece of work from the previous week for those that are falling behind to use. Obviously you will need to make sure people don't get too far behind, but this is a nice way to make sure that everyone feels that they have a fair shot at it even if their previous week's work wasn't too good. Those who are doing well will end
The key is to keep your lecture sessions relatively high level, and have people learn the syntax on their own, or with lab assistants. You can teach them different ways of thinking about a problem but the actual act of writing code is much easier to learn by doing it.
I once through a scheduling nightmare ended up teaching a beginner class and an advanced class in the same classroom at the same time. What I did was divide my time between the two levels by starting out giving the advanced group an assignment to do in class while I worked with the beginners and then giving the beginners an assignment while I worked with the advanced. You could do something similar (only having the groups self-select into the group they wanted to be in). Prepare some extra material for the more advanced ones and you are off to the races.
Another strategy is to keep everything at the beginner level, but offer the more advanced students some other material to do for extra credit (or even as substitution for some of the simpler tasks you require of the beginners). Discuss the more advanced assignments with them outside of class or individually while the class is working on practical work in the lab.
Keeping the lectures interesting with plenty of real world examples is helpful too. I tended to lecture as little as possible though and present the material more through class discussion and practical exercises and through asking leading questions. Making them find the information to answer your questions (and class participation was part of the grade) will make them pay more attention.
I also ended each semester with a course project that I only described what they had to do in order to get a B. An A would involve doing work beyond that including work in an area not covered in class. The more advanced students can then really shine by looking for really cool new things to do and even the beginners usually find a way to do something not covered by the course. It's amazing how much extra effort they will go to when they don't know how much more they have to do to get an A. Other instructors would be amazed at the quality of the end of the course projects I got and several of them started using the same method.
It may be better to break up a few areas of concern with what some would call, "Introductory Programming":
1) Introduction to personal computers and modern computing. Assuming that the course's software runs on windows, there may be some that need to cover the basics of a computer, e.g. what is a hard drive, keyboard, mouse, monitor, CPU, motherboard, etc. Note that this has nothing to do with even one line of code other than naming operating systems potentially. For some people this may be new to them and thus having a course that covers the basics, may well be worth it. Also in this course would be ways to use a mouse and all its various buttons, what are the various kinds of cables and connections people have, what are drivers, what are patches, what are parts of a network, e.g. firewall, router, load balancers, etc. The idea here isn't to get into how to configure a firewall perfectly, but rather that the person understands what various hardware components are for and possibly how to configure a home wireless network as the most complicated concepts taught.
2) Principles of programming. This would start with the idea of what are the steps are there to execute a sequence of commands. Things like printing and performing Mathematical operations, e.g. converting from Imperial to metric,would be covered with possibly sorting being the most complicated example, viewed from a variety of different algorithms and an understanding at a basic level of big-O notation.
3) Introduction to Data Structures and Advanced Programming. Now, let's introduce the concept of a relational database and how databases work in general and have projects with real world application, e.g. have each student take a list of something they have like DVDs or CDs and put these into a database schema to efficiently store all this data. Also, the idea of floating point arithmetic and its limitations, e.g. that a computer doesn't store the whole value of pi but rather an approximation that should be good enough in most cases.
4) Introduction to Parallel Programming and Operating Systems. Here you would have some in depth work in building an Operating System and handling how to write code that can run concurrently or in Parallel and how efficient are various programs under different circumstances.
That is how I could see someone breaking up programming so that it isn't where someone can learn in a week enough to pass the final without looking at anything else.
I have frequently been in this situation, first on the student side of things, and then on the teaching side.
Most schools force those sort of courses and their curriculum. This is silly, but such is life. If your school does allow it, I would suggest offering students attendance waiver if they pass an early screening test. It is in your interest and the interest of the freshmen to not sit in a class where a significant portion of the population is bored. Even being in a room with tons of people starting at their laptops harms discourse. Everyone is required to attend tests and submit assignments, but they at least don't have to show up.
Once you work with the novices, figure out if they're majors or nonmajors. Nonmajors will resent being in a CS course, you have to try and make it approachable for them. E.g., use examples from physics or chemistry or math rather than from building an interactive gui system.
If they're CS majors, they'd better damned be interested :)
My opinion is that teaching sample programs is dead-boring for most people. Searching, sorting, classification of 7-bit ascii input, using unix & make, opening a file, writing a file...
These are boring problems. Regardless of their importance/usefulness, these are tools. Unfortunately, tools are what's taught in intro courses, not problems.
But you need tools to be able to solve a problem. So it's a kind of chicken-egg problem.
Real world examples of code the student can imagine themselves doing out of their free time.
I remember a teacher telling me to use const values it was the tax of something. I only had to use the value in two places. She asked what if i need to change it i said its only in two places and i'll change it by hand also i couldnt imagine the gov ever changing the tax %.
I cant think of an non complex example where i would use a const so i wouldnt try teaching them to use that but for arrays i would simply write a guessing game then when the player wins the game, it plays back all the guesses in the same order to them. There is no easy way to do that w/o arrays and i could see how keeping track of someones steps/guesses would be useful (bragging rights to how quickly a person guessed it).
On the first day give the syllabus (what they will learn) and required basic knowlege (things you must know or else not take this class) and stick with it. After these all you can do is teach well (explain things well, answer questions, give a joke or two now and then etc). Caring who attends class, whether or not the field is boring, whether student lied about pre-requisites or not, who listens and the other yada yada is beyond your controls. Besides, you should expect adults to be adults. If students skip class and ace test, maybe that is best for them. If they skip class and bomb tests, well maybe they are in the wrong place.
I hated when professors had this mentality when I was in college. Now as a working professional I understand it.
Center the programming exercises around either sports or movies.
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What languages and tools do you consider a youngster starting out in programming should use in the modern era?
Lots of us started with proprietary Basics and they didn't do all of us long term harm :) but given the experiences you have had since then and your knowledge of the domain now are there better options?
There are related queries to this one such as "Best ways to teach a beginner to program?" and "One piece of advice" about starting adults programming both of which I submitted answers to but children might require a different tool.
Disclosure: it's bloody hard choosing a 'correct' answer to a question like this so who ever has the best score in a few days will get the 'best answer' mark from me based on the communities choice.
I would suggest LEGO Mindstorm, it provides an intuitive drag and drop interface for programming and because it comes with hardware it provides something tangible for a child to grasp. Also, because it is "LEGO" they might think of it as more of a game then a programming exercise.
My day job is in a school, and over the past few years I've seen or taught (or attempted to teach) various children, in various numbers, programming lessons.
Children are all different - some are quick learners, some aren't. In particular, some have better literacy skills than others, and that definitely makes a difference to the speed at which they'll pick up programming. I bet that most of us here, as professional computer programmers and the kind of people who read and post to forums for fun, learnt to read at a pretty young age. For those kinds of children, and if it's your own child who you can teach one-on-one, you could do worse than JavaScript - it has the advantage that you can do real stuff with it right away, and the edit-test cycle is simply hitting "refresh" in the browser. It gets confusing when you start to run in to how JavaScript does everything asynchronously, and is tricky to debug, but for a bright child under close tuition these problems can be overcome.
LEGO Mindstorms is definitely up there at the top of the list. Most schools now super-glue the bricks together to create pre-made models that can't have bits nicked off of them, but this shouldn't be a problem at home. Over on the Times Educational Supplement site (website forum for the UK's weekly teaching newspaper), the "what programming language is best for children?" topic comes up pretty regularly. Lots of recommendations over there for Scratch as an alternative to Mindstorms - bit more freedom than Mindstorms, again probably better for the brighter student who could also be given a soldering iron.
I've found that slower pupils can still have problems with Mindstorms, even though the programming environment is "graphical" - there's still a lot going on on screen, and there's a fair bit to remember (this was an older version, mind - haven't tried the snazzy new one yet). In my experience, the best all-round introduction to programming is probably still LOGO - actually a considerably more powerful language than most people give it credit for. The original Mindstorms book by Seymour Papert (nothing to do with LEGO - they nicked the title of the book for their product), one of the originators of LOGO, is the canonical reference for teaching programming to children as a "thinking skill" and for the concept of Constructionism in learning.
We've had classes of 7 or 8 year-olds programming LOGO. Note that we aren't aiming to make them "software developers", that's a career path they can decide on at some point post-16. At a young age we're trying to get them to think of "computer programming" as just another tool - how to set out a problem to be solved by a computer, in the same way they might use a mind map to help them organise and remember stuff for an exam. No poor child should be sat down and drilled in the minutia and use of a particular language, they should be left to explore and figure stuff out as they like.
I'll second Geoff's suggestions of Phrogram (used to be KPL), and Alice.
My only other suggestion is Lego Mindstorms NXT. The NXT's programming language is drag-and-drop, is very easy to use, and can do some very complicated tasks once you learn it. Also young boys usually like seeing things move. :)
I've used Alice and NXTs with some young kids, and they've taken to it very well.
Two possibilities are:
Scratch - developed at MIT - http://scratch.mit.edu/
and
EToys from the One Laptop per Child fame - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Squeak
Full disclosure: I'm one of the guys who invented Kid's Programming Language, which is now http://www.Phrogram.com, which others have recommended here. Let me add some programmer-oriented info about it.
It's a code IDE, rather than drag-and-drop, or designer-based. This was intentional on our part - we wanted to make it easy and fun to do real text-based programming, particularly programming games and graphics. This is a fundamental difference between us and Alice and Scratch. Which you pick is a matter of the kid, their age and aptitudes, your goals. Using them serially with the same beginner might be a great way to go - if you do that, I would recommend Scratch, Alice, Phrogram as the order. Phrogram has worked best for 12 years and up, but I know dads with 6 year olds who have taught their kids with it, and I know 10 year olds who have taught themselves with it.
The language is as much like English as we could make it, and is as minimal as we could make it. The secret sauce is in the class-based object heirarchy, which is again as simple, intuitive and English-like as we could make it. The object heirarchy is optimized for games and graphics. 3D models are available, and 2D sprites. Absolute movement using screen coordinates is supported, or relative movement ala LOGO turtles - Forward(x), TurnLeft(y).
The IDE comes with over 100 examples, some language examples (loops), some learning examples (arrays), some fully-functional games and sims (Pong, Missile Command, Game of Life).
To give you a sense of how highly leveraged we made the language and the IDE: with 27 instructions you can fly a 3D spaceship model around a 3D skybox, using your keyboard. The same with a 2D sprite is 12 to 15 instructions.
We are working on a Blade-compatible release of Phrogram that will allow programs to run on the XBox 360. Yeah, the XBox, on your big TV. Nice motivator for getting a kid started? :)
Phrogram includes support for class-based programming, with methods and properties - but that's only encapsulation, not inheritance or polymorphism.
A tutorial and user guide is available,
My own ebook is available at Amazon and other places online, "Learn to Program with Phrogram!," and gets a beginner started by programming the classic Pong.
Phrogram Programming for the Absolute Beginner, by Jerry Lee Ford, Jr., is also available, as a paperback, at Amazon and elsewhere.
For a child, I would go with Alice. Any kid is going to like the drag-and-drop interaction that Alice uses better than trying to remember how to spell and punctuate any programming language. He/She will learn the basic programming structures (conditionals, loops, etc.) and will experience the fun of building an animated program they can show off to other family or friends.
A beginner CS class at the local community college actually uses Alice to teach programming in a language-independent way. It provides a good foundation for moving into programming in a particular language (or a few languages) down the road.
I recently saw a presentation about GreenFoot (a java based learning environment for children). It looked awesome. If I would have kids, I would give it a try
Link to the presentation
It is a very playful environment, where you could start with very basic methods. The kids learn thinking in an object oriented way (you cannot instantiate an animal, but you can instantiate a cat). And the better they get, the more of Java you can uncover for/with them.
I'd go with Scratch, some points regarding it.
It's a graphical programming language. It isn't text based (this might be
positive or negative). It does make it more intuitive and easy for kids (7 and
up).
It's actually highly object. The objects you write these graphical scripts have the code attached to them and can be reused and moved around.
Very Important: quick and impressive results. Kids need to get going fast and get results in order to get hooked.
I'd like to note that although many of us started programing at a young age in basic or logo and because programmer later in life doesn't mean those are good languages to start with. I think that kids today have much better options, like scratch or Alice.
Text based languages (python, ruby, basic, c# or even c) are dependent on external libraries and tools (editors, compilers) while something like Alice or scratch is all inclusive and will teach kids (not aimed at teens) programming concepts. Later they can move on and expand their learning.
Check out Phrogram (formerly KPL) and Alice
I'd say: give the kid a real C64, because that's how I got started. But, today... I'd say Ruby, but Ruby is a bit too chaotic. BASIC would be better in the long run. Processing is easy to learn, and it's basically Java.
The reason I recommend a C64 is because it's BASIC, but you still have to learn certain computer-related things, like the memory model, pixels, characters, character maps, newlines, etc. etc, if you want to do more advanced stuff. Also, if your kid finds it boring, you know his heart really isn't into coding.
I would pitch LOGO. It was something that was taught in my elementary school. It gives nearly immediate feedback, and will teach really basic programming concepts. Moving that little turtle around can be a lot of fun.
For a child, I would go with Alice.
Here is another vote for Alice. My 4 kids have had a ton of fun working with it and learning the basic concepts of programming. Of course to them it's all about socializing with fairies and ogres, but heck the darn legacy system I work on could use some faries and ogres too.
I'd recommend python, because it's so terse and expressive. Seems less likely to frustrate when getting started, but offers plenty of room to learn more advanced concepts as well.
Game Maker might be another approach. You can start simple with easy drag and drop development, and then introduce more advanced programming as you go. The book The Game Maker's Apprentice: Game Development for Beginners has a number of sample games and takes you through the steps required to make them.
I think python is a good alternative; it is a very powerful language also you can easily do a lot of things (not boring at all).
Checkout Squeak developed by Alan Kay who think programming should be taught at early ages.
How old? Lots of us stared with BASIC at some point, but before then, I learned the concepts of stringing commands together, variables, and looping with LOGO. Figuring out how to draw a circle with a triangle that can only go in a straight line and turn was my very first programming accomplishment.
Edit: This question & its answers make me feel old.
Though _why hasn't given it much love in the past year or so, for a while I was really excited about Hackety Hack. I think the key for most new programmers, especially children who are more than apt to losing interest in things, is instantaneous feedback. That was the really wonderful thing about Hackety Hack: a few lines of code, and suddenly you have something in front of you that does something. There are a few similar applications aimed at things like drawing graphics (one of which, I briefly assisted Nathan Weizenbaum on, Scribble!). Kids simply need positive feedback that they're doing something correct on a regular basis, else there's nothing to keep them interested in the task at hand. What I think the future is for teaching children to program is some sort of DSL built on top of a language with friendly syntax (these would include, arguably, Ruby, Python, and Scheme) whose purpose is to provide an intuitive environment for constructing simple games (say, Tic-Tac Toe, or Hangman).
I think you should start them off in C. The sooner they can get the hang of pointers the better.
See Understanding Pointers and Should I learn C.
I think the first question is: what sort of program would it be interesting to create? One of the things that got me started with programming as a kid (in BBC basic and then QBasic) was the ease of writing graphical programs. I could write a couple of lines of code and see my program draw a line on the screen straight away.
The closest I've seen to that sort of simplicity recently are the pygame library for python and Processing, a set of java libraries with an IDE.
I imagine that hacking on web pages would be another good way to get started: that would entail HTML, Javascript (using a library like jQuery), perhaps PHP or something along those lines.
Whatever tools you provide, the crucial thing is for it to be easy to get started straight away. If you have to write twenty lines of correct code and figure out how to invoke the compiler before you see any tangible results, progress is going to be slow.
There are many good suggestions here already. I really agree with Kronikarz. Get a retro computer (or emulator) that you are interested in and teach with that. Why a retro computer? Basic is built in. Making sounds and primitive graphics is a trivial task. The real deal might be better than an emulator because it will be a bit more fascinating to a child who is used to seeing only modern devices.
As I said here, I'd go for Squeakland and the famous Drive a Car example (powered by Squeak).
Smalltalk syntax is simple, which is great for children.
And later as the child evolves, he can learn more complex and even very advanced concepts that are also in Squeak (eg. programing statefull webapps with automated refactoring and automated unit tests!).
And like #cpuguru and #Rotem said, Scratch (also Squeak based) is great too.
I think Java might be a good choice simply because you can make GUIs easily, and see "cool things" happening. For the same reason, maybe any of the .NET languages. I've also heard good things about scripting languages (Ruby and Python, especially) for getting kids to learn how to program.
Well, if they're young and haven't learnt their ABC's you could try them on BF - non of those pesky letters and numbers to deal with.
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I would go with what I wish I had known first: a simple MS-DOS box and the integrated assembler (debug). It is great to really learn and understand the basics of talking to a computer.
If that does not scare away a child, then I would go the "next level up" and introduce C. This shouldn't be hard given that the basic concept of pointers, registers and instructions in general are well-understood by then.
However, I am not entirely sure, where to go next. Take the big jump to Lisp, Haskell or similarly abstracted languages or should there be some simple object oriented languages (maybe even C++) be thrown in or would that more hurt than help?
Looking at Alice, I see it is "designed for high school and college students". There appears to be another language/version called Story Telling Alice that is "designed for middle-school students"
Alice Download Page
I think Context Free Art might be a good choice, with output of graphics, it makes it a lot of fun learning about context-free grammar.
Try [Guido van Robot][1]. It's an excellent introduction to robotics, and it's a great way to introduce kids to the programming side of things (vs the "building the robots" side).
Wasn't Smalltalk designed for such a purpose? I think Ruby would be a good choice, as a descendant of Smalltalk.
I know in the first few years of high school we were 'taught' Logo, and strangely, HTML. After that, the progression went to macros in MS Office, followed by basic VBA, followed by Visual Basic.