I try to analyze a dll file with my poor assembly skills, so forgive me if I couldn't achieve something very trivial. My problem is that, while debugging the application, I find the code I'm looking for only in debug session, after I stop the debugger, the address is gone. The dll doesn't look to be obfuscated, as many of the code is readable. Take a look at the screenshot. The code I'm looking for is located at address 07D1EBBF in debug376 section. BTW, where did I get this debug376 section?
So my question is, How can I find this function while not debugging?
Thanks
UPDATE
Ok, as I said, as soon as I stop the debugger, the code is vanished. I can't even find it via sequence of bytes (but I can in debug mode). When I start the debugger, the code is not disassembled imediately, I should add a hardware breakpoint at that place and only when the breakpoint will be hit, IDA will show disassembled code. take a look at this screenshot
You see the line of code I'm interested in, which is not visible if the program is not running in debug mode. I'm not sure, but I think it's something like unpacking the code at runtime, which is not visible at design time.
Anyway, any help would be appreciated. I want to know why that code is hidden, until breakpoint hit (it's shown as "db 8Bh" etc) and how to find that address without debugging if possible. BTW, could this be a code from a different module (dll)?
Thanks
UPDATE 2
I found out that debug376 is a segment created at runtime. So simple question: how can I find out where this segment came from :)
So you see the code in the Debugger Window once your program is running and as you seem not to find the verry same opcodes in the raw Hex-Dump once it's not running any more?
What might help you is taking a Memory Snapshot. Pause the program's execution near the instructions you're interested in to make sure they are there, then choose "Take memory snapshot" from the "Debugger" Menu. IDA will then ask you wether to copy only the Data found at the segments that are defined as "loder segments" (those the PE loader creates from the predefined table) or "all segments" that seem to currently belong to the debugged program (including such that might have been created by an unpacking routine, decryptor, whatever). Go for "All segments" and you should be fine seeing memory contents including your debug segments (a segment
created or recognized while debugging) in IDA when not debugging the application.
You can view the list of segements at any time by pressing Shift+F7 or by clicking "Segments" from View > Open subviews.
Keep in mind that the programm your trying to analyze might choose to create the segment some other place the next time it is loaded to make it harder to understand for you what's going on.
UPDATE to match your second Question
When a program is unpacking data from somewhere, it will have to copy stuff somewhere. Windows is a virtual machine that nowadays get's real nasty at you when trying to execute or write code at locations that you're not allowed to. So any program, as long as we're under windows will somehow
Register a Bunch of new memory or overwrite memory it already owns. This is usually done by calling something like malloc or so [Your code looks as if it could have been a verry pointer-intensive language... VB perhaps or something object oriented] it mostly boils down to a call to VirtualAlloc or VirtualAllocEx from Windows's kernel32.dll, see http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa366887(v=vs.85).aspx for more detail on it's calling convention.
Perhaps set up Windows Exception handling on that and mark the memory range als executable if it wasn't already when calling VirtualAlloc. This would be done by calling VirtualProtect, again from kernel32.dll. See http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa366898(v=vs.85).aspx and http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa366786(v=vs.85).aspx for more info on that.
So now, you should take a step trough the programm, starting at its default Entrypoint (OEP) and look for calls tho one of those functions, possibly with the memory protection set to PAGE_EXECUTE or a descendant. After that will possibly come some sort of loop decrypting the memory contents, copying them to their new location. You might want to just step over it, depending on what your interest in the program is by justr placing the cursor after the loop (thick blue line in IDA usually) and clicking "Run to Cursor" from the menu that appears upon right clicking the assembler code.
If that fails, just try placing a Hardware Breakpoint on kernel32.dll's VirtualAlloc and see if you get anything interestin when stepping into the return statement so you end up wherever the execution chain will take you after the Alloc or Protect call.
You need to find the Relative Virtual Address of that code, this will allow you to find it again regardless of the load address (pretty handy with almost all systems using ASLR these days). the RVA is generally calculated as virtual address - base load address = RVA, however, you might also need to account for the section base as well.
The alternative is to use IDA's rebasing tool to rebase the dll to the same address everytime.
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I really want to inject my C++ program into another (compiled) program. The way I want to do this is changing the first part of bytes (where the program starts) to goto the binary of my program (pasted into an codecave for example) and when it is finished running to goto back where it went before the injected program started running.
Is this is even possible? and if it is, is it a good/smart idea todo so?
Are there other methods of doing so?
For example:
I wrote a program that will write the current time to a file and then terminates, so if i inject it to Internet Explorer and launch it, it will first write its current time to a file and then start Internet Explorer.
In order to do this, you should start reading the documentation for PE files, which you can download at microsoft.
Doing this takes a lot research and experimenting, which is beyond the scope of stackoverflow. You should also be aware that doing this depends heavily on the executable you try to patch. It may work with your version, but most likely not with another version. There are also techniques against this kind of attack. May be built into the executable as well as in the OS.
Is it possible?
Yes. Of course, but it's not trivial.
Is it smart?
Depends on what you do with it. Sometimes it may be the only way.
I am debugging an exe (x86) in WinDbg because it is crashing on my computer, the devs provide no support and it's closed source.
So far I found out that it crashes because a null pointer is passed to ntdll!RtlEnterCriticalSection.
I'm trying to find the source of that null pointer and I've reached a point (my "current point") where I have absolutely no idea where it was called from. I tried searching the area of the last few addresses on the stack, but there were no calls, jumps or returns at all there.
The only thing I have is the last dll loaded before the crash, which is apparently also long (at least a few thousand instructions) before my current point.
I can't just set a few thousand break points, so I thought single step exceptions could help (I could at least print eip on every instruction, I don't care if that would take days).
But I can't get the CPU to fire the exception! After loading the exe, I enter the following in the debugger:
sxe ld:<dll name>
g
sxe sse
sxe wos
r tf=1
g
The debugger breaks for the loaded dll where I want it to, but after the second g, the program just runs for a few seconds before hitting the crash point, not raising any single step exception at all.
If I do the same without the first two lines (so I'm at the start point of the program), it works. I know that tf is set to zero every time a SSE is fired, but why doesn't it fire at all later in the program?
Am I missing something? Or is there any other way I could find the source of that null pointer?
g is not the command for single stepping, it means "go" and only breaks on breakpoints or exceptions.
To do single stepping, use p. Since you don't have the source code, you cannot do instruction-stepping on source code level, meaning that you have to do it on assembly level. (Assembler instruction stepping should be default, it not enable it with l-t.) Depending on how far you need to go, this takes time.
Above only answers the question as it is. The open question is, like pointed out in the comments already, what will you do to mitigate that bug? You can't simply create a new critical section nor do you know which existing critical section should be used in that place.
I am using perl tray from activestate and have a question. I am wanting to make some type of ui or way for a user to set "Settings" on my application. These settings can just be written / read from a text file that is stored on the users computer.
The part I am not understanding though is how to go about making a ui. The only thing i can think of is showing a local perl page that runs on their computer to write to the file. However, I'm not sure how i could get perl to run in the browser when only using perltray.
Any suggestions?
PerlTray is an odd duck. It has an implicit event loop that kicks in after you either fall off the end of your program or after your 1st call to exit(). This makes it incompatible with most other common GUI event loops or most mini-server techniques that operate in the same process & thread.
2 possibilities come to mind:
Most Likely you'll have success spawning a thread or process that creates a traditional perl GUI or a mini-server hosting your configuration web-app. I'd probably pick Tkx, but that's just my preference.
I have a suspicion that the Event Loop used by Win32::GUI may actually be compatible with the event loop in PerlTray, but some experimentation would be required to verify that. I generally avoid Win32::GUI because it's not platform independent, but if you're using PerlTray, you're tied to Windows anyway...
I have the following in my system:
4 File folders
5 Applications that do some processing on files in the folders and then move files to the next folder (processing: read files, update db..)
The process is defined by Stages: 1,2,3,4,5.
As the files are moved along, the Stage field within them is updated to the next Stage.
Sometimes there are exceptions in the system, not necessarily exception in code but exception in the process.
For instance, there is an error in transmitting the file to the next folder. In this case the stage is not updated and an record is written in the DB for this file.
What I want to do, what is the best approach?
I want to plug a utility of some sort or add code to the applications that will capture any exceptions in the process. Like if a file was not moved, I want to know what stage and why. This will help in figuring out the break down in the process.
I need something that will provide the overall health of the process.
Now sure how to go about doing this from an architectural point of view.
The scheduler? Well that might knock the idea out anyway.
Exit code is still up and running from dos days.
it's a property of the Application Class (0 the default) is success
So from your app you'd detect an error and set ApplicationExitCode to some meaning number like 1703 (boo hoo)
Application.ShutDown(1703);// is the .net4 way
However seeing as presumably the scheduler is just running the app, you'd have to script it all up. Might as well just write a common logging dll and add it to each app as mess about with that, especially if you want the same behaviour if it's run from outside the scheduler.
Another option would be delegating. ie you write an app that runs the app (passed in as a command line parameter) and logs the result (via exit code for instance) and then change scheduler items to call that with the requisite parameter.
It's a simple problem. Sometimes Windows will just halt everything and throws a BSOD. Game over, please reboot to play another game. Or whatever. Annoying but not extremely serious...
What I want is simple. I want to catch the BSOD when it occurs. Why? Just for some additional crash logging. It's okay that the system goes blue but when it happens, I just want to log some additional information or perform one additional action.
Is this even possible? If so, how? And what would be the limitations?
Btw, I don't want to do anything when the system recovers, I want to catch it while it happens. This to allow me one final action. (For example, flushing a file before the system goes down.)
BSOD happens due to an error in the Windows kernel or more commonly in a faulty device driver (that runs in kernel mode). There is very little you can do about it. If it is a driver problem, you can hope the vendor will fix it.
You can configure Windows to a create memory dump upon BSOD which will help you troubleshoot the problem. You can get a pretty good idea about the faulting driver by loading the dump into WinDbg and using the !analyze command.
Knowing which driver is causing the problem will let you look for a new driver, but if that doesn't fix the problem, there is little you can do about it (unless you're very good with a hex editor).
UPDATE: If you want to debug this while it is happening, you need to debug the kernel. A good place to pick up more info is the book Windows Internals by Mark Russinovich. Also, I believe there's a bit of info in the help file for WinDbg and there must be something in the device driver kit as well (but that is beyond my knowledge).
The data is stored in what's called "Minidumps".
You can then use debugging tools to explore those dumps. The process is documented here http://forums.majorgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=35246
You have two ways to figure out what happened:
The first is to upload the dmp file located under C:\Minidump***.dmp to microsoft service as they describe it : http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wiki/windows_10-update/blue-screen-of-death-bsod/1939df35-283f-4830-a4dd-e95ee5d8669d
or use their software debugger WinDbg to read the dmp file
NB: You will find several files, you can tell the difference using the name that contain the event date.
The second way is to note the error code from the blue screen and to make a search about it in Google and Microsoft website.
The first method is more accurate and efficient.
Windows can be configured to create a crash dump on blue screens.
Here's more information:
How to read the small memory dump files that Windows creates for debugging (support.microsoft.com)