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I'm building a database for a real estate company.. Those real estate properties are managed by the sales people using a CodeIgniter website.
How should I proceed with the database design for this table. The fields like address/location, price etc. are pretty straightforward but there are some sections like Kitchen Appliences, Property Usage etc... where the sales people can check multiple values for that field.
Furthermore, a property can have multiple people attached to it (from the table people), this can be an intermediaire, owner, seller, property lawyer etc... Should I use one field for this or just I create an extra table and normalize the bindings?
Is the best way to proceed just using one field and using serialized data or is there a better way for this?
In a relational database you should never, EVER, put more than one value in a single field - this violates first normal form.
With the sections like Kitchen Appliances, Property Usage etc... where the sales people can check multiple values for that field, it depends on whether it will always be the same set of multiple options that can be specified:
If there are always the same set of multiple options, you could include a boolean column on the property table for each of the options.
If there are likely to be a variety of different options applicable to different properties, it makes more sense to set up a separate table to hold the available options, and a link table to hold which options apply to which properties.
The first approach is simpler and can be expected to perform faster, while the latter approach is more flexible.
A similar consideration applies to the people associated with each house; however, given that a single property can have (for example) more than one owner, the second approach seems like the only one viable. I therefore suggest separate tables to hold people details (name, phone number, etc) and people roles (such as owner, seller, etc.) and a link table to link roles to properties and people.
You should create extra table for it....
For example...
Consider the scenario that 1 item may have many categories and 1 category may have many items...
Then you can create table like this...
Create three tables for that....
(1) tblItem :
fields:
itemId (PK)
itemName
etc..
(2) tblCategory :
fields:
categoryId (PK)
categoryName
etc..
(3) tblItemCategory :
fields:
itemId (PK/FK)
categoryId (PK/FK)
So according to your data you can create an extra table for it....
I think it would be optimize way....
If you want your data to be in third normal form, then you should think in terms of adding extra tables, rather than encoding multiple values into various fields. However it depends how far your brief goes.
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I'm having conception difficulties to implement something in a database. I have two solutions for a problem, and I was wondering which one is the best.
Problem :
Let's picture a table speciality with 2 fields : speciality_id and speciality_name.
So for example :
1 - Mage
2 - Warrior
3 - Priest
Now, I have a table user with fields such as user_id, name, firstname etc ...
In this table, there is a field called speciality. The speciality stores an integer, corresponding to the speciality_id of the table speciality.
That would be acceptable for users that have only one speciality. I want to improve the model to be able to have multiple specialities for a user.
Here are my two solutions :
Create a table 'solution1' which link the user_id with the speciality_id and remove the speciality field in the user table. So for a user which has 2 specialities, 2 rows will be created in the table 'solution1'.
Change the type of the field speciality in the user table to be able to write down the specialities, separated with commas.
For example 2;3
The problem I got with the second solution is for making foreign keys between my table user and my table specialities, to link them. I may have a bit more difficulties with the PHP in the future too, while wanting to get the specilities for a user (will need to use a parser I guess).
Which solution do you find is the best ?
Thanks.
Absolutely go with your first solution.
Create a third "Many-to-Many" table that allows you to relate a user to multiple specialties. This is the only way to go in your case.
When designing tables, you always want to have each column contain one and only one data element. Think about what querying your second solution would look like. What would you do when you wanted to see all users who had a given specialty?
You might try something like this:
select * from user where specialty like '%2%'
Well, what happens when you have specialties that go to 12? Now "2" matches multiple entities. You could devolve further and try to be tricky, but...you really should just make your data design as normal as possible to avoid all the mess, headache, and errors. Go with Solution 1.
i think the best way is to follow solution1 cause solution2 will end up will lot of complexity later on
I have this problem in a table where there are 4 columns which include terms describing the product. I want to make this terms editable (and you can add more) in my app and there are 4 groups of them obviously. I created a table who has all these terms altogether but the product table will have to create 4 relationships with the ID of the terms table.
Is this a good solution?
The main reason I don't want to make 4 different tables for the terms is because there aren't many of them and as the app progresses we might have even more different term groups, thus adding many small tables cluttering the database.
Any suggestion?
Update #1: Here is my current schema http://i.imgur.com/q2a1ldk.png
Have a product table and a terms (product_id, terms_name, terms_description) which will allow you to add as many or as little terms for each product as you want. You just need to retrieve all terms from the terms table with a particular product id.
You could try a mapping table:
apputamenti(id, ...)
term_map (apputamenti_id, term_id)
terms (id, text, type)
So you can add as many terms as you want.
Or if you want to specify the mapping with one more field, change:
term_map (apputamenti_id, term_id, map_type)
so you can use an enum for map_type like enum(tipologia, feedback, target) or whatever your original fields where
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I have a table called cars but each car has hundreds of attributes and they keep on increasing over time (horsepower, torque, a/c, electric windows, etc...) My table has each attribute as a column. Is that the right way to do it when I have thousands of rows and hundreds of columns? Also, I made each attribute a column so I facilitate advanced searching / filtering.
Using MySQL database.
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This is an interesting question IMHO, and the answer may depend on your specific data model and implementation. The most important factor in this case is data density.
How much of each row is actually filled up, in average?
If most of your fields are always present, then data scope partition may be the way to go.
If most of your fields are empty, then a metadata-like structure (like #JayC suggested) may be more attractive.
Let's use the case you mentioned, and do some simulations.
On the first case, scope partition, the idea is to implement partitions based on scope or usage. As an example of partitioning by usage, let's say that the most retrieved fields are Model, Year, Maker and Color. These fields may compose your main [CAR] table, the owner of the ID field which will exclusively identify the vehicle.
Now let's say that Engine, Horsepower, Torque and Cylinders are also used for searches from time to time, but not so frequently. These may exist on a secondary table [CAR_INFO_1], which is tied to the first table by the presence of the CAR_ID field, a foreign key. Proceed by creating as many partitions you need.
Advantage: Simpler queries. You may coalesce all information about a vehicle if you do a joint query (for example inside a VIEW).
Downside: Maintenance. Each new field must be implemented in the model itself, and you need an updated data model to locate where the field you need is actually stored (or abstract it inside a view.)
Metadata format is much more elegant, but demands more of your database engine. Check #JayC's and #Nitzan Shaked's answers for details.
Advantages: 100% data density. You'll never have empty Data values. Also maintenance - a new attribute is created by adding it as a row to the metadata identifier table. Data structure is less complex as well.
Downside: Complex queries, together with more complex execution plans. Let's say you need all Ford cars made in 2010 that are blue. It would be very trivial on the first case:
SELECT * FROM CAR WHERE Model='Ford' AND Year='2010' AND Color='Blue'
Now the same query on a metadata-structured model:
Assume the existence of this two tables,
CAR_METADATA_TYPE
ID DESC
1 'Model'
2 'Year'
3 'Color'
and
CAR_METADATA [CAR_ID], [METADATA_TYPE_ID], [VALUE]
The query itself would like something like this:
SELECT * FROM CAR, CAR_METADATA [MP1], CAR_METADATA [MP2], CAR_METADATA [MP3]
WHERE MP1.CAR_ID = CAR.ID AND MP1.METADATA_TYPE_ID = 1 AND MP1.Value='Ford'
AND MP2.CAR_ID = CAR.ID AND MP2.METADATA_TYPE_ID = 2 AND MP2.Value='2010'
AND MP3.CAR_ID = CAR.ID AND MP3.METADATA_TYPE_ID = 3 AND MP3.Value='Blue'
So, it all depends on you needs. But given your case, my suggestion would be the Metadata format.
(But do a model cleanup first - no repeated fields, 1:N data on their own table instead of inline fields like Color1, Color2, Color3, this kind of stuff ;) )
I guess the obvious question is, then: why not have a table car_attrs(car, attr, value)? Each attribute is a row. Most queries can be re-written to use this form.
If it is all about features, create a features table, list all your features as rows and give them some sort of automatic id, and create a car_features that with foreign keys to both your cars table and your features table that associates cars with features, maybe along with any values associated with the relationship (one passenger electric seat, etc.).
If you have ever changing attributes, then consider storing them in an XML blob or text structure in one column. This structure is not relational. The most important attributes will then be duplicated in additional columns so you can craft queries to search on them as the Blob will not be searchable from SQL queries. This will cut down on the amount of columns in that table and allow for expansion without changing the database schema.
As others as suggested, if you want all the attributes in a table, then use an attribute table to define them. Then will depend on your requirements and needs of the application.
Hello, stackoverflow community!
I am working on a rather large database-driven web application. The underlying database is growing in complexity as more components are being added, but so far I've had absolutely no trouble normalizing the data quite nicely.
However, this final component implies a table that can hold products.
Each product has a category, and depending on the category, has different fields.
Making a table for each product category doesn't seem right, as there are currently five types, and they still have quite a lot of fields in common. (but in weird ways - a few general fields such as description and price are common to all 5 categories, but some attributes are shared between 1 and 2, others 3,4,5 and so on).
I'm trying to steer away from the EAV model for obvious performance reasons.
The thing is that according to what product type the user wants to enter into the database there is a somewhat (but not completely) different field structure - all of them have a name and general description, but other attributes such as "area covered" can be applied only to certain categories such as seeds and pesticides, but not fuel, which would have a diesel/gasoline boolean and a bunch of other fuel-related attributes.
Should I just extract the core features in a table, and make another five for each category type? That would be a bit hard to expand in the future.
My current idea would be to have the product table contain all the fields from all the possible categories, and then just have another table to describe which category from the product table has which fields.
product: id | type | name | description | price | composition | area covered | etc.
fields: id | name (contains a list of the fields in the above table)
product-fields: id | product_type | field_id (links a bunch of fields to the product table based on the product type)
I reckon this wouldn't be too slow, easy to search (no need to actually join the other tables, just perform the search on the main product table based on some inputs) and it would facilitate things like form generation and data validation with just one lightweight additional query /join. (fetch a product from the db and join a concatenated list of the fields actually used in a string - split that and display the proper form fields based on what it contains, i.e. the fields actually associated with that product.
Thanks for your trouble!
Andrei Bârsan
EAV can actually be quite good at storing data and fetching that databack again when you know the key. It also excels in it's ability to add fields without changing the schema. But where it's quite poor is when you need the equivilent of WHERE field1 = x and field2 = y.
So while I agree the data behaviour is important (how many products share the same fields, etc), the use of that data is also important.
Which fields need searching, which fields are always just data storage, etc
In most cases I'd suggest keeping all fields that need searching, in combination with each other, in the same table.
In practice this often leads to a single table solution.
New fields require schema changes, new indexes, etc
Potential for sparsely populated data, using more space than is 'required'
Allows simple queries, simple indexing and often the fastest queries
Often, though not always, the space overhead is marginal
Where the sparse-data overheads reach a critical point, I would then head towards additional tables grouped by what fields they contain. More specifically, I would not create tables by product. This is on the dual assumption that most/all fields will be shared across at least some products, and that those fields will need searching.
This gives a schema more like...
Main_table ( PK, Product_Type, Field1, Field2, Field3 )
Geo_table ( PK, county, longitute, latitude )
Value ( PK, cost, sale_price, tax )
etc
You may also have a meta-data table describing which product types have which fields, etc.
What this schema allows is a more densly populated set of tables, which can be easily indexed and so quickly searched, while minimising table clutter and joins by grouping related fields.
In the end, there isn't a true answer, it's all a balancing act. My general rule of thumb is to stay with a single table until I actually have a real and pressing reason not to, not just a theoretical one.
In my experience unless you are writing a a complete framework that can render fully described fields (we are talking about a lot of metadata describing each field) it is not worth separating field definitions from the main object. Modern frameworks (like Grails) allow for virtual zero pain adding a new column to a domain/Model class and table.
If your common field overlap is about 80% between all object types I would put them all in 1 table and use Table per Hierarchy inheritance model, where a descriminator field helps you tell your object types apart. On the other hand if you have 20% overlap of common fields then go with Table per Class inheritance model with base class and table containing common fields. And other joint tables hang off the base.
Should I just extract the core features in a table, and make another five for each category type? That would be a bit hard to expand in the future.
This is called a SuperType - SubType relationship. It works very well if most of your queries are one of two types:
If you will be querying mostly the SupetType table and only drilling down into the SubType table infrequently.
If you will be querying the database after being filtered to a specific SubType.
I'm a software developer. I love to code, but I hate databases... Currently, I'm creating a website on which a user will be allowed to mark an entity as liked (like in FB), tag it and comment.
I get stuck on database tables design for handling this functionality. Solution is trivial, if we can do this only for one type of thing (eg. photos). But I need to enable this for 5 different things (for now, but I also assume that this number can grow, as the whole service grows).
I found some similar questions here, but none of them have a satisfying answer, so I'm asking this question again.
The question is, how to properly, efficiently and elastically design the database, so that it can store comments for different tables, likes for different tables and tags for them. Some design pattern as answer will be best ;)
Detailed description:
I have a table User with some user data, and 3 more tables: Photo with photographs, Articles with articles, Places with places. I want to enable any logged user to:
comment on any of those 3 tables
mark any of them as liked
tag any of them with some tag
I also want to count the number of likes for every element and the number of times that particular tag was used.
1st approach:
a) For tags, I will create a table Tag [TagId, tagName, tagCounter], then I will create many-to-many relationships tables for: Photo_has_tags, Place_has_tag, Article_has_tag.
b) The same counts for comments.
c) I will create a table LikedPhotos [idUser, idPhoto], LikedArticles[idUser, idArticle], LikedPlace [idUser, idPlace]. Number of likes will be calculated by queries (which, I assume is bad). And...
I really don't like this design for the last part, it smells badly for me ;)
2nd approach:
I will create a table ElementType [idType, TypeName == some table name] which will be populated by the administrator (me) with the names of tables that can be liked, commented or tagged. Then I will create tables:
a) LikedElement [idLike, idUser, idElementType, idLikedElement] and the same for Comments and Tags with the proper columns for each. Now, when I want to make a photo liked I will insert:
typeId = SELECT id FROM ElementType WHERE TypeName == 'Photo'
INSERT (user id, typeId, photoId)
and for places:
typeId = SELECT id FROM ElementType WHERE TypeName == 'Place'
INSERT (user id, typeId, placeId)
and so on... I think that the second approach is better, but I also feel like something is missing in this design as well...
At last, I also wonder which the best place to store counter for how many times the element was liked is. I can think of only two ways:
in element (Photo/Article/Place) table
by select count().
I hope that my explanation of the issue is more thorough now.
The most extensible solution is to have just one "base" table (connected to "likes", tags and comments), and "inherit" all other tables from it. Adding a new kind of entity involves just adding a new "inherited" table - it then automatically plugs into the whole like/tag/comment machinery.
Entity-relationship term for this is "category" (see the ERwin Methods Guide, section: "Subtype Relationships"). The category symbol is:
Assuming a user can like multiple entities, a same tag can be used for more than one entity but a comment is entity-specific, your model could look like this:
BTW, there are roughly 3 ways to implement the "ER category":
All types in one table.
All concrete types in separate tables.
All concrete and abstract types in separate tables.
Unless you have very stringent performance requirements, the third approach is probably the best (meaning the physical tables match 1:1 the entities in the diagram above).
Since you "hate" databases, why are you trying to implement one? Instead, solicit help from someone who loves and breathes this stuff.
Otherwise, learn to love your database. A well designed database simplifies programming, engineering the site, and smooths its continuing operation. Even an experienced d/b designer will not have complete and perfect foresight: some schema changes down the road will be needed as usage patterns emerge or requirements change.
If this is a one man project, program the database interface into simple operations using stored procedures: add_user, update_user, add_comment, add_like, upload_photo, list_comments, etc. Do not embed the schema into even one line of code. In this manner, the database schema can be changed without affecting any code: only the stored procedures should know about the schema.
You may have to refactor the schema several times. This is normal. Don't worry about getting it perfect the first time. Just make it functional enough to prototype an initial design. If you have the luxury of time, use it some, and then delete the schema and do it again. It is always better the second time.
This is a general idea
please don´t pay much attention to the field names styling, but more to the relation and structure
This pseudocode will get all the comments of photo with ID 5
SELECT * FROM actions
WHERE actions.id_Stuff = 5
AND actions.typeStuff="photo"
AND actions.typeAction = "comment"
This pseudocode will get all the likes or users who liked photo with ID 5
(you may use count() to just get the amount of likes)
SELECT * FROM actions
WHERE actions.id_Stuff = 5
AND actions.typeStuff="photo"
AND actions.typeAction = "like"
as far as i understand. several tables are required. There is a many to many relation between them.
Table which stores the user data such as name, surname, birth date with a identity field.
Table which stores data types. these types may be photos, shares, links. each type must has a unique table. therefore, there is a relation between their individual tables and this table.
each different data type has its table. for example, status updates, photos, links.
the last table is for many to many relation storing an id, user id, data type and data id.
Look at the access patterns you are going to need. Do any of them seem to made particularly difficult or inefficient my one design choice or the other?
If not favour the one that requires the fewer tables
In this case:
Add Comment: you either pick a particular many/many table or insert into a common table with a known specific identifier for what is being liked, I think client code will be slightly simpler in your second case.
Find comments for item: here it seems using a common table is slightly easier - we just have a single query parameterised by type of entity
Find comments by a person about one kind of thing: simple query in either case
Find all comments by a person about all things: this seems little gnarly either way.
I think your "discriminated" approach, option 2, yields simpler queries in some cases and doesn't seem much worse in the others so I'd go with it.
Consider using table per entity for comments and etc. More tables - better sharding and scaling. It's not a problem to control many similar tables for all frameworks I know.
One day you'll need to optimize reads from such structure. You can easily create agragating tables over base ones and lose a bit on writes.
One big table with dictionary may become uncontrollable one day.
Definitely go with the second approach where you have one table and store the element type for each row, it will give you a lot more flexibility. Basically when something can logically be done with fewer tables it is almost always better to go with fewer tables. One advantage that comes to my mind right now about your particular case, consider you want to delete all liked elements of a certain user, with your first approach you need to issue one query for each element type but with the second approach it can be done with only one query or consider when you want to add a new element type, with the first approach it involves creating a new table for each new type but with the second approach you shouldn't do anything...